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I have 5,000k HIDs in my stock housings and they're perfectly fine, no blue light just pure white
No scatter of light or blindness to other drivers
Oh and to make things even better, I payed roughly $60 from a reputable company for everything and the bulbs will last me years

I had the same kit in my old Pontiac and they lasted me 2+ years without dimming or anything (would've lasted longer if it didn't get totaled)
I did not get the bi-xenon bulbs (although I will sometime soon) because I have auxiliary lights that I use for brights
I get plenty of down road light that's much brighter than any halogen
I've never ran into any problem with the law or other drivers either

I fully get that some people cannot run HIDs in their location for whatever reason, but the KJ housings have been my favorite for HIDs so far and I will continue to use them to for the best light, cheapest cost, and longest lasting performance compared to a halogen bulb
Some expensive bulbs claim they're "as bright or as white as an HID" which is a complete lie
I've had the Sylvania ZXE, Philips, etc and none compare to my HIDs in any way

Now, don't get me wrong, I hate when people have the 8,000k-12,000k HIDs that are blue/purple and don't adjust them and blind everyone
That annoys me to no end, and I light them up with every bit of light I can when they come toward me

But, if you use your head and aim them down slightly, you still get plenty of light and you're not blinding anyone; I see no reason as to why more people don't use HIDs
Unless of course, you like yellow looking light (older folk most of the time) or you simply can't due to inspection and whatnot in your area

So you tell me, you wouldn't want better down-road visibility in all direction ahead, bright white light, or longer lasting light for less than the cost of a halogen?
I'd take all of those before spending another $60-$70 on a halogen with much less capability

Who is spending 60-70 on halogens? Got the Phillips Extreme for way under half that and like I have mentioned on the 04 have lasted over 5 years. To me its a no brainer at all. I'm never running others UNLESS the vehicle was designed to run them from the factory. PLUS its not because I am old , heck Troy is half my age and he doesn't think you should either :happy175:
 

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I have 5,000k HIDs in my stock housings and they're perfectly fine, no blue light just pure white
No scatter of light or blindness to other drivers
Oh and to make things even better, I payed roughly $60 from a reputable company for everything and the bulbs will last me years

I had the same kit in my old Pontiac and they lasted me 2+ years without dimming or anything (would've lasted longer if it didn't get totaled)
I did not get the bi-xenon bulbs (although I will sometime soon) because I have auxiliary lights that I use for brights
I get plenty of down road light that's much brighter than any halogen
I've never ran into any problem with the law or other drivers either

I fully get that some people cannot run HIDs in their location for whatever reason, but the KJ housings have been my favorite for HIDs so far and I will continue to use them to for the best light, cheapest cost, and longest lasting performance compared to a halogen bulb
Some expensive bulbs claim they're "as bright or as white as an HID" which is a complete lie
I've had the Sylvania ZXE, Philips, etc and none compare to my HIDs in any way

Now, don't get me wrong, I hate when people have the 8,000k-12,000k HIDs that are blue/purple and don't adjust them and blind everyone
That annoys me to no end, and I light them up with every bit of light I can when they come toward me

But, if you use your head and aim them down slightly, you still get plenty of light and you're not blinding anyone; I see no reason as to why more people don't use HIDs
Unless of course, you like yellow looking light (older folk most of the time) or you simply can't due to inspection and whatnot in your area

So you tell me, you wouldn't want better down-road visibility in all direction ahead, bright white light, or longer lasting light for less than the cost of a halogen?
I'd take all of those before spending another $60-$70 on a halogen with much less capability
Sorry but "Good" HID bulbs will cost you well north of $200 each without the ballast.

Plus unless you put in HID approved housings you will blind on-coming traffic no matter what anyone says,that is physics that can not be changed.


High performance halogen bulbs = 250 hours runtime.
"Good" HID bulbs(Actual Philips HID's) = 2500 hours runtime
"Cheap" HID bulbs(anything not Philips) = 0-250 hours runtime(a gamble)
Thermal protected LED's = 50,000+ hours runtime
Non-thermal protected LED's = 1-2500 hours runtime(a gamble)

But nobody makes good thermal protected LED housing's for the KJ.
 

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Sorry but "Good" HID bulbs will cost you well north of $200 each without the ballast.

Plus unless you put in HID approved housings you will blind on-coming traffic no matter what anyone says,that is physics that can not be changed.


High performance halogen bulbs = 250 hours runtime.
"Good" HID bulbs(Actual Philips HID's) = 2500 hours runtime
"Cheap" HID bulbs(anything not Philips) = 0-250 hours runtime(a gamble)
Thermal protected LED's = 50,000+ hours runtime
Non-thermal protected LED's = 1-2500 hours runtime(a gamble)

But nobody makes good thermal protected LED housing's for the KJ.

Really? $200 a bulb huh?
LOL well whoever is paying $400 for a set of light bulbs is pretty dumb
My HIDs work great, give me plenty of light, and don't blind anybody
I've never had an HID burn out on me so I disagree with your statements
Could you explain to me how I have HIDs in a non-approved housing and never get flashed or ticketed if they "blind on-coming traffic no matter what anyone says"?
You think I just get lucky every single time I drive at night?

I can tell you I got my kit for a great price and they're better in every way than a halogen
You can run your dim yellow (or "white" as some might think) colored halogens and hardly be able to see, but I'll continue to have bright light ahead of me, beside me and also continue to NOT blind a single person :waytogo:
Mine are angled down low enough where no car sits as low and I still get plenty of light down the road

Can't wait to hear back from ya!
 

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I had GE nighthawk platinums on my caravan and my prelude and both started going back to amber inside two-years. They are coated halogen bulbs..
 

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As far as people flashing their lights at you most won't in town due to others being around you and them not wanting to flash them.
Out on open roads you have to get flashed once in a while at least due to the light scattering everywhere. ( known fact, not just hearsay or a few old peole saying it ) Its not just a few of us on here stating it either, you can go on any automotive forum out there and read the same complaints, and yes you can read the same things you are saying, ( I have them down low, no one flashes me, mines different etc ) but it just doesn't fly.
I am on about 10-12 different forums on the average daily, from Harley to Jeeps. No where have I found that these are actually acceptable and work well, no where.
IF, it was a real alternative to a better light, lasting longer etc I would of done it a long time ago. But I researched them, read for hours about the pros and cons and there are way more cons than I want to deal with.
Then also the whole issue with blinding someone and they wreck...if you are found to have HIDs in a non HID housing you and the place that sold the kit to you would be fined .
Also, If you open up your headlamps and install optics and components (drill, cut, glue, screw, etc.) that weren't originally there, then (attempt to) reseal the headlamp, you're not compliant according to the law. Even if the optics you install produce compliant beam patterns, by opening up your headlamp you've undone all the work to make the assembly vibrationproof, resistant to water and dirt entry, etc. And internal bezels and lenses often exert influence over the total light distribution via internal reflections, so if anything inside the headlamp changes, so does that, and you can easily get a noncompliance. Of course if you send your homemade headlamps for compliance testing and they pass, then you're legal.
This comes from NHTSA
 

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Although I agree with the technical statements you've given, it still doesn't effect me personally
The only "open road" I drive down is Pick. Rd off of 33 and I do it every other day
Never have I once gotten flashed/blinded somebody going down that road
I do also travel down back roads during the holiday season, but that's once a year
So, again, the "open road" statement still doesn't apply to me
That is why I run into no issues with HIDs and that is why I will use them because I have never gotten adequate light output from any halogen
I'd rather be able to see everything around me and feel safe than not and that's how halogens me ME feel
I have passed numerous police, numerous everyday drivers, and have not gotten flashed once in the KJ
I wouldn't sit here and lie to everyone about getting flashed by people, like I get pleasure out of saying "HIDs are the best thing to ever use you'll never get flashed" because not everyone drives down the same roads as me obviously
If you don't drive down a lot of backroads I say go for it
I'm just telling you and others that I personally have not gotten flashed once in the KJ for my HIDs
Now, in my old 2000 Grand Prix, I did indeed get flashed a couple times
But, if you've ever owned/rode in one with halogens you'd know why I HAD to switch to HID (too young to afford projector headlights that cost $200+)
The thing would throw any type of halogen about 5-10ft in front of me and that's it
My light was scattered in the GP, but with the KJ it's not and I've even put pictures up of my HIDs (prior to changing to 5,000k for whiter light instead of slightly blue) and it's not scattered at all- of course, pictures don't do any type of light justice however

Anyhow when I get the chance, probably tonight, I'll measure the height from the ground to where it's blinding bright to show actually how low mine are but still give me good light output down the road
I adjust mine on the garage and then I pull behind my parents' vehicles as well as my girlfriends to see if it blinds me
Then, I'll pull it down into the field and park facing each other, and in both cases I do not get blinded by it
 

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Now, in my old 2000 Grand Prix, I did indeed get flashed a couple times
But, if you've ever owned/rode in one with halogens you'd know why I HAD to switch to HID ...

Agreed, Pontiac lights, and GM in general for about 20 years had total crap headlights. My 1991 Ford Escort had better headlight output and beam pattern (with clear lenses) than all of the Grand Ams, Prixs, etc... There were indeed bad.

Here's a thing though... you mention our crappy yellow light output. Yeah, normal halogens are tinted between 3200k and 3900k for color temperature. Natural daylight (what I would call as close to "pure white" as we are gonna find) is roughly 5200k. Anything lower is tinted towards the yellow/red end, and anything higher towards the blue end of the spectrum.

Human eyes are more sensitive to certain colors in the dark, blue is not one of them.

Way way back when I worked in auto parts, was younger and didn't know any better, APC sold 80w/100w xenon filled bulbs.. they were cheap, about $30 a set. We sold a TON of them to people (including ourselves at the parts store). They looked insanely bright looking at them, had higher output, were about 6500k. And on open dark roads with no other lights, you could light up the entire countryside (not really, but it was very impressive).

The issue then became in town, with the sodium vapor and mercury street lamps.. it washed out all 80 watts of cool blue high intensity light, and you basically could see NOTHING. Same effect in rain storms.

So there is a reason why many headlights are not "pure white". Obviously too low color temp and they are amber in color, which is for actual, true fog lights and would be a poor choice for primary headlights.

I dont doubt that if done correctly (or luckily), HID's in certain halogen reflector housings can work. I've seen it a couple times. But it's rare.

I'd love to see the specs on the kit you bought jeeplib05; can you post a link to them?
 

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9007 Bi-Xenon Full Xenon HID Conversion Kit | XenonHIDs.com
Mind you, mine we're on sale at the time
Not sure how accurate the specs are but all I can say is my light is not scattered at all and they're very bright
Oh, I got the "Sun" series 55w ballasts and 5,000k bulbs
No warning canceller or relay harness

Interesting... thanks for the link.

To anyone else reading this, by the way, if you don't install kits like these, simply installing a relay harness will also greatly increase the light output of your stock headlights. Most headlight bulbs see about a 1-1.5v drop from the vehicle voltage... so while the vehicle is charging/maintaining 13.5 or 14.0v, the bulbs are getting less, and thus reduced output.

Relay kits are a great way to get full voltage to halogen bulbs.
 

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Interesting... thanks for the link.

To anyone else reading this, by the way, if you don't install kits like these, simply installing a relay harness will also greatly increase the light output of your stock headlights. Most headlight bulbs see about a 1-1.5v drop from the vehicle voltage... so while the vehicle is charging/maintaining 13.5 or 14.0v, the bulbs are getting less, and thus reduced output.

Relay kits are a great way to get full voltage to halogen bulbs.

Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply has a great write up on what Jason is saying about installing a relay harness, with drawings etc . I did it to my last XJ and it helped a lot. Of course Daniel Stern is a great source for all lighting questions etc
 

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Interesting... thanks for the link.

To anyone else reading this, by the way, if you don't install kits like these, simply installing a relay harness will also greatly increase the light output of your stock headlights. Most headlight bulbs see about a 1-1.5v drop from the vehicle voltage... so while the vehicle is charging/maintaining 13.5 or 14.0v, the bulbs are getting less, and thus reduced output.

Relay kits are a great way to get full voltage to halogen bulbs.

I'm pretty sure there's a reason the headlights see a lesser voltage; it makes the bulbs last longer. My smart car burns out the headlamps once a year because the voltage around 13.5. The smart dealer sells a resistor kit to fix the issue fir $100. My 2005 liberty still has the original bulbs.
 

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I'm pretty sure there's a reason the headlights see a lesser voltage; it makes the bulbs last longer. My smart car burns out the headlamps once a year because the voltage around 13.5. The smart dealer sells a resistor kit to fix the issue fir $100. My 2005 liberty still has the original bulbs.

Correct. It's a balance between lumen output and bulb life. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but increasing voltage by about 1 volt should increase light output at least 10-15%, however it will drop life expectancy of the bulb by more than that.

It's a trade off. Personally, I'd rather have safer, brighter lights. Over the total years of ownership, I doubt I'll care about only getting 350-400 hours out of my 9007's instead of 500. But instead of 1000 lumens they'll be outputting 1200.
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Best headlights restoration kit?

Do anyone recommend to use clear coat paint after sanding and cleaning? Will it last long time?

I did headlight restoration once on my civic and within 6 months, it became cloudy again.
 

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Polish the headlights, install Phillips Extreme in the headlights, there is a mod to use different fogs if you have an 02-4 , change them run them together and will make a huge difference

Philips 9007 X-tremeVision Upgrade Headlight Bulb, 2 Pack

is this the correct bulb?
 

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I will tell you purchasing a new set of headlights is the best thing ever. Have used TYC in all my cars over the years.
 

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Don't waste your money on trying to restore headlight lenses
By the time you buy 3-4 different kinds because they all wear off, you could've paid for almost two sets of new housings
They're dirt cheap
 

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