Actual Lift Amount - Lets Compare Fender Heights

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  1. Liberty&Justice4All

    Liberty&Justice4All Member

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    My Liberty is stock with 125,500 miles, factory size 225/75r16 Uniroyal Laredo’s. Front measurement 18.25” both side, Rear measurement 19.25” on both sides.
     
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    That’s pretty amazing that your KK has that many miles and the suspension is not sagged! 18 in front and 19 in rear (+/- 1/4”) is the stock height for the KK.
     
  3. tommudd

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    KJ or KK
    If KJ you are 3/4 of an inch lower than new stock
    If KK you measured wrong
     
  4. Liberty&Justice4All

    Liberty&Justice4All Member

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    It’s a KJ,2007 model. It seems to me it may need struts. Hits hard when going over bumps, may just be a Jeep thing. This is my first Jeep product so I know nothing about the ride or set up they’re supposed to have.
     
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    tommudd Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    No it needs springs and shocks all around
    Stock suspension is pretty much junk by 65-70,000 miles
    Never just replace shocks on these always replace both.
    What happens is if you just replace shocks , then with the weak springs it will wear the shocks out faster.
    These came with very weak spring rate, only 310 lb, should of been 340-350 with the weight etc

    and yes we do have coilover shocks in the front
    if you have struts you do not have upper control arms , we do
    My suggestion is to goaftermarket if you want stock height OME 925/947 springs , 925s are rated at 350 lb and will provide a much better ride and handling than even new stock ever did
    Onmy 04 I bought new, I had replaced the stock suspension before it had 20,000 miles on it with OME
     
  6. Liberty&Justice4All

    Liberty&Justice4All Member

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    Ok I’ll look into suspension upgrade thank you.
     
  7. tommudd

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    Go OME springs with either OME or Bilstein shocks, have installed both and they are pretty much equal as far a performance over all
     
  8. Brendon Holt

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    Gonna play along for the sake of data:

    Pre-lowered 2002 Liberty Sport 4WD 3.7 with ~150k miles

    Fronts: 18.75"
    Rears: 19.25"

    All stock suspension. Sag-city.
     
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    Installed 927 and 948 springs last week. 3/8" clevis up front and one extra iso in the rear.

    The CV boots are looking very bunched-up and unhappy. Also UCA rubs on spring during high compression. Must have messed up a ball-joint during the work because there is a terrible knocking happening up front. The front springs are horribly stiff. Great on the highway but atrocious offroad. I have to drive way slower than with stock springs now and my teeth are rattling. Hopefully my "lift guy" figures out that something is wrong and we can fix it. Cuz right now its a disaster. Also they can't align it. Front-passenger camber is +1.6 ! He also said he could barely work with these springs they were 4" longer than stock and almost too stiff for his pneumatic spring compressor. Car looks amazing tho...
     
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  11. tommudd

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    LOL you need a new guy plus you need to go out and twist it up some and get the springs seated in and broken in
    If you think 927s are way to still hate to see what you would say about 790s
    If they are too much for his spring compressor he has a weak compressor
    remove the clevis lift , that will drop it 3/4 of an inch
     
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    I went with the 926 and they been working good, I dont have any extra weight up front so figured I didn't need the 927 ..hopefully they break in for ya ,nothing worse than being frustrated with your ride after spending money on it
     
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    Actually, I just re-measured on flat ground.

    Front drivers 22.5"
    Front passenger 23.25"
    Rear drivers 22.0"
    Rear passenger 23.0"

    Will re-tighten sway bar link and clevis bolt tomorrow whilst on the ground. Hopefully that is it! Also will probably remove one of the clevis spacers in the front, leaving one behind, because right now its totally level looking with no passengers or cargo.
     
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  14. tommudd

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    Something is installed wrong, find out what that is before removing everything / anything.
    With full weight on ground loosen then tighten everything you had apart
     
  15. CrazyDrei

    CrazyDrei Space Monkey

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    Getting ready for an eBay spacer lift but mostly so I can fit 33" (closer to 34") tires.

    2004 Liberty
    412,000 miles
    Wouldn't be surprised if springs are original
    No front bumper
    Shocks may have been replaced at one point
    I did remove over 500 lbs from the rear of the KJ

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    Rear pass: 19.75"
    Rear drive: 21.0"
    Front pass: 17.75"
    Front drive: 18.5" (no fender flare)

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    Driver front fender flare is MIA.

    Ground to fender height:
    Rear pass: 33.75"
    Rear drive: 34.25"
    Front pass: 31.25"
    Front drive: 31.75" (no fender flare)

    Will update after eBay spacer lift for hub to fender and once again after tires for ground to fender.
     
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  16. CrazyDrei

    CrazyDrei Space Monkey

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    eBay spare lift is in! Tractor tires are on as well.

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    2004 Liberty
    412,000 miles
    Wouldn't be surprised if springs are original
    No front bumper
    Shocks may have been replaced at one point
    I did remove over 500 lbs from the rear of the KJ
    2.5" front strut spacers
    2" rear coil spacers
    Factory shocks in rear
    33.25" x 9.5" front tires
    33.7" x 9.7" rear tires

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    (you are getting dizzy)

    Center hub to fender:
    BEFORE LIFT AFTER LIFT
    Rear pass: 19.75" 21.5"
    Rear drive: 21.0" 21.75"
    Front pass: 17.75" 20.25"
    Front drive: 18.5" 22.0"

    Front driver wheel is missing the fender flare so the measurement does not paint the complete picture.

    Ground to fender:
    BEFORE LIFT AFTER LIFT
    Rear pass: 33.75" 37.25"
    Rear drive: 34.25" 37.25"
    Front pass: 31.25" 35.25"
    Front drive: 31.75" 37.25"
     
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