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I am going to get the 2.5" OME/Bilstein lift soon and then comes the tires turn.

I'm determined to give my KJ a wider stance so want to add 1.25"-1.5" wheel spacers. Will those work fine with 265/70s on the lifted KJ or I need to scale down to 255/70s because of back spacing considerations? Wheels are the stock 16" 6-star alloy type (that came with the 235/70s).

Also recommendations for spacers / links are appreciated. Thanks!
 
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I am going to get the 2.5" OME/Bilstein lift soon and then comes the tires turn.

I'm determined to give my KJ a wider stance so want to add 1.25"-1.5" wheel spacers. Will those work fine with 265/70s on the lifted KJ or I need to scale down to 255/70s because of back spacing considerations? Wheels are the stock 16" 6-star alloy type (that came with the 235/70s).

Also recommendations for spacers / links are appreciated. Thanks!

You won't find very many people on here recommending spacers because it's more stress than it's worth worrying about 40 lugs than 20
I have no problem with them but for the price of good spacers you should really just get wheels with the right backspacing
Your best option is Spidertrax (well known and big company so if issues arise they can help you unlike EBay ones)
Around $250-$300 for 4 spacers when you could get a set of 5 wheels for the same price or cheaper
If you're wanting 265-70s I would add clevis rings/top plate and rear iso just to have more clearance
It would look better/be better to have it already installed once you have everything taken apart the first time
265-70 and 255-70 are nearly the exact same size (depending on aggressiveness) so choose whichever you want
I was looking at the 265-70s but just decided to go with 31x10.5 because it's only slightly taller and wider
Any taller/wider than that you HAVE to regear
 
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You won't find very many people on here recommending spacers because it's more stress than it's worth worrying about 40 lugs than 20
I have no problem with them but for the price of good spacers you should really just get wheels with the right backspacing
Your best option is Spidertrax (well known and big company so if issues arise they can help you unlike EBay ones)
Around $250-$300 for 4 spacers when you could get a set of 5 wheels for the same price or cheaper
If you're wanting 265-70s I would add clevis rings/top plate and rear iso just to have more clearance
It would look better/be better to have it already installed once you have everything taken apart the first time
265-70 and 255-70 are nearly the exact same size (depending on aggressiveness) so choose whichever you want
I was looking at the 265-70s but just decided to go with 31x10.5 because it's only slightly taller and wider
Any taller/wider than that you HAVE to regear[/QUOTE

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You need to find high quality spacers that are made with air craft grade aluminum. That is what my adapters for my winter rims are made out of. The only reason I am using them is because the tire shop sold me the wrong bolt pattern 5 on 5 in stead or 5 on 4.5. I would only use the spacers if you need to!
 
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255-70 is about 30.2" tall and 265-70 is about 30.8" tall, again, depending on aggressiveness the height will vary
I suggested him get correct wheels instead of spacers
So what's the problem here?
 
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Like mentioned you need more lift than 2.5 inches to run 265-70-16s or 31-10.50-15s
OH wait here is one with 265-70-16s and 2.5 inches of lift
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265-70-16s 42 lbs, section width 10.7, tread width 8.4 , height 30.6
31.10.50-15 43 lbs, section 10.7, tread 8.5, height 30.5
255-70-16s 38 lbs, 10.2 section, 8 inch tread, 30.1 height
245-75-16 45 lbs, 9.8 section, 7.5 tread, 30.5 height
ANYTIME you get into the 30 and above range you should really consider regearing since the added weight and height will affect performance and mileage a good bit .
On my 04 I ran the stock 235-70s , 245-70, 245-75,255-70, 265-70 and 265-75s, when I then regeared So have some knowledge of how each size affects the over all driveability
Should of regeared when I went to the 245-75s or the 265-70s
Current build with 265-70s will have 4.10s installed
You can " get by " with stock gearing and up to the above sizes but I like people to know the real facts before jumping into doing all of these things like lifts / tires etc
Many " put up " with the decreased performance but once they do regear they love to drive their rig again
Spacers can be used but wheels with proper backspacing like 7 inches wide and 4 inches of backspacing is better over all
 

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Like mentioned you need more lift than 2.5 inches to run 265-70-16s or 31-10.50-15s
OH wait here is one with 265-70-16s and 2.5 inches of lift
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265-70-16s 42 lbs, section width 10.7, tread width 8.4 , height 30.6
31.10.50-15 43 lbs, section 10.7, tread 8.5, height 30.5
255-70-16s 38 lbs, 10.2 section, 8 inch tread, 30.1 height
245-75-16 45 lbs, 9.8 section, 7.5 tread, 30.5 height
ANYTIME you get into the 30 and above range you should really consider regearing since the added weight and height will affect performance and mileage a good bit .
On my 04 I ran the stock 235-70s , 245-70, 245-75,255-70, 265-70 and 265-75s, when I then regeared So have some knowledge of how each size affects the over all driveability
Should of regeared when I went to the 245-75s or the 265-70s
Current build with 265-70s will have 4.10s installed
You can " get by " with stock gearing and up to the above sizes but I like people to know the real facts before jumping into doing all of these things like lifts / tires etc
Many " put up " with the decreased performance but once they do regear they love to drive their rig again
Spacers can be used but wheels with proper backspacing like 7 inches wide and 4 inches of backspacing is better over all

I do not disagree with anything you say Tom,
I mean, hell, you're the person that's helped me get to the point I'm at
I forgot to put "IMO" after saying he should add clevis and iso
Because my opinion is it would look better being lifted taller with the 265-70s and since he'll already have the whole suspension taken apart he might as well throw in the extras
I completely get that you know how each size tire works for our KJs, I was trying to help him understand (I didn't word it how I wanted to) that you can have 265-70s or 31x10.5s but you'll compromise power without the regear

Also, I know he isn't interested in regearing right now, because he's trying to get his lift kit together first and foremost so that's where my info came from
 
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Lifted 2.5 inches , use 245-70-16s
little bigger
no real power or mileage loss
makes the lift look bigger
For an example one we did 245-70-16 with 3.25 inches of lift
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I do not disagree with anything you say Tom,
I mean, hell, you're the person that's helped me get to the point I'm at
I forgot to put "IMO" after saying he should add clevis and iso
Because my opinion is it would look better being lifted taller with the 265-70s and since he'll already have the whole suspension taken apart he might as well throw in the extras
I completely get that you know how each size tire works for our KJs, I was trying to help him understand (I didn't word it how I wanted to) that you can have 265-70s or 31x10.5s but you'll compromise power without the regear

Also, I know he isn't interested in regearing right now, because he's trying to get his lift kit together first and foremost so that's where my info came from

LOL just messing with ya to see if you'd start to back track and start wondering if you were saying it all wrong
Felt like doing something to mess with someone today after enduring the news for 2 hours of nothing but BS!
 

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Hey thanks for your responses..

In that case I am thinking I'll go with 255/70s to reduce the loss of power, I guess it matters going 2 size levels up instead of 3 from my current worn 235/70s.

Regarding spacers - from my research there's quite a good selection of T6061 billet aluminum 1.5" spacers for around 100$ for 4, with good reviews, it is a REALLY simple product, I don't see a reason spending 2X or 3X on brand name which is the EXACT same thing based on marketing fear tactics (and I've read in many other forums as well).. You bolt down the spacers lugs at recommended torque with some good loctite - and stop worrying about it, really.

Problem here (for me) is that I feel I am getting myself into a rabbit hole -
You got a (economic) lift? cool - parts 800-900$ (not counting labor).. then alignment, not even the JBA UCAs.
oh so now of course you'll swap your tires otherwise your jeep will look ridiculous, and why did you get the lift in the first place?! - bam another ~800$
so now your tires/wheels are bigger - you need to regear / diff service, that's another ??? $ (probably 500$+).. recalibrate speedometer etc

so before you know it you have a ~3000$ bill just for getting 2.5" off the ground (hey what about skids? bumper?) and I am asking myself should I go through it with a car that's worth about the same as the bill + will be probably sold in the next 2 years... Maybe I'll just get some quality 245/70 A/Ts or M/Ts and leave it all stock :Insane:


Like mentioned you need more lift than 2.5 inches to run 265-70-16s or 31-10.50-15s
OH wait here is one with 265-70-16s and 2.5 inches of lift
You must be registered for see images attach


265-70-16s 42 lbs, section width 10.7, tread width 8.4 , height 30.6
31.10.50-15 43 lbs, section 10.7, tread 8.5, height 30.5
255-70-16s 38 lbs, 10.2 section, 8 inch tread, 30.1 height
245-75-16 45 lbs, 9.8 section, 7.5 tread, 30.5 height
ANYTIME you get into the 30 and above range you should really consider regearing since the added weight and height will affect performance and mileage a good bit .
On my 04 I ran the stock 235-70s , 245-70, 245-75,255-70, 265-70 and 265-75s, when I then regeared So have some knowledge of how each size affects the over all driveability
Should of regeared when I went to the 245-75s or the 265-70s
Current build with 265-70s will have 4.10s installed
You can " get by " with stock gearing and up to the above sizes but I like people to know the real facts before jumping into doing all of these things like lifts / tires etc
Many " put up " with the decreased performance but once they do regear they love to drive their rig again
Spacers can be used but wheels with proper backspacing like 7 inches wide and 4 inches of backspacing is better over all
 

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Hey thanks for your responses..

In that case I am thinking I'll go with 255/70s to reduce the loss of power, I guess it matters going 2 size levels up instead of 3 from my current worn 235/70s.

Regarding spacers - from my research there's quite a good selection of T6061 billet aluminum 1.5" spacers for around 100$ for 4, with good reviews, it is a REALLY simple product, I don't see a reason spending 2X or 3X on brand name which is the EXACT same thing based on marketing fear tactics (and I've read in many other forums as well).. You bolt down the spacers lugs at recommended torque with some good loctite - and stop worrying about it, really.

Problem here (for me) is that I feel I am getting myself into a rabbit hole -
You got a (economic) lift? cool - parts 800-900$ (not counting labor).. then alignment, not even the JBA UCAs.
oh so now of course you'll swap your tires otherwise your jeep will look ridiculous, and why did you get the lift in the first place?! - bam another ~800$
so now your tires/wheels are bigger - you need to regear / diff service, that's another ??? $ (probably 500$+).. recalibrate speedometer etc

so before you know it you have a ~3000$ bill just for getting 2.5" off the ground (hey what about skids? bumper?) and I am asking myself should I go through it with a car that's worth about the same as the bill + will be probably sold in the next 2 years... Maybe I'll just get some quality 245/70 A/Ts or M/Ts and leave it all stock :Insane:

First off, if you want to spend the money for spacers then be my guest
IMO if you're going with bigger tires, which will require the old ones to be taken off of the wheels and reinstalled onto the new tires, then you might as well just get a set of wheels with the correct backspacing
Sell your old tires/wheels to get some money back from buying the new stuff and bam, you've got $100+ back in your wallet

Lifting your Jeep is a choice, not a necessity
Not everyone feels the need to lift theirs, and that's perfectly fine.. It's YOUR Jeep
We (should I say I) lift our Jeeps for better ride quality, performance, and because the stock suspension is garbage, especially after having 100k+ miles
To add, the cost to just get replacement shocks, springs, etc is nearly the same price to lift it
I only paid about $720 (not including the cheap cost of conduit nuts, hockey pucks-the small things)

Like it has been stated before, after lifting it, you can run the stock tire/wheel setup until you get the funds/wear the tires down
Which regardless of whether you lift it or not, you'll eventually need new tires

There's no labor costs when installing a lift if you do it yourself
Which it's easy enough to do (I had ZERO experience with suspension parts and I did it)
An alignment varies in price by the shop but I paid $67 for 6 months of free alignments whenever I want one

I have mine lifted at about 3.25" lift and it doesn't look ridiculous, just a little skinny without bigger tires
Nobody said you had to get a drastically bigger tire once lifted, it's all personal preference
But if you're wanting a 31"-32" tall tire then you have to regear
It's just the way our KJs are

Every statement you've made about all of these extra parts are all subjective and are each individual KJ owners' choice to add
Nobody said you needed huge tires, 4.10s, skids, etc

Not trying to be ******* you, but if you aren't willing to put the time and money it takes to do the suspension mods that you want, then just stick with your stock sagged suspension and be done
If you don't feel that lifting it is worth it then don't do it, it's your money and your sweat that would be put into it, nobody else's
 
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Hey thanks for your responses..

In that case I am thinking I'll go with 255/70s to reduce the loss of power, I guess it matters going 2 size levels up instead of 3 from my current worn 235/70s.

Regarding spacers - from my research there's quite a good selection of T6061 billet aluminum 1.5" spacers for around 100$ for 4, with good reviews, it is a REALLY simple product, I don't see a reason spending 2X or 3X on brand name which is the EXACT same thing based on marketing fear tactics (and I've read in many other forums as well).. You bolt down the spacers lugs at recommended torque with some good loctite - and stop worrying about it, really.

Problem here (for me) is that I feel I am getting myself into a rabbit hole -
You got a (economic) lift? cool - parts 800-900$ (not counting labor).. then alignment, not even the JBA UCAs.
oh so now of course you'll swap your tires otherwise your jeep will look ridiculous, and why did you get the lift in the first place?! - bam another ~800$
so now your tires/wheels are bigger - you need to regear / diff service, that's another ??? $ (probably 500$+).. recalibrate speedometer etc

so before you know it you have a ~3000$ bill just for getting 2.5" off the ground (hey what about skids? bumper?) and I am asking myself should I go through it with a car that's worth about the same as the bill + will be probably sold in the next 2 years... Maybe I'll just get some quality 245/70 A/Ts or M/Ts and leave it all stock :Insane:

First we'll start with me, I have a lift on the 03 that cost half as much as what I paid for it. Sounds crazy doesn't it? BUT with that lift, plus the low miles on the 03 I plan to keep it and drive it for the next 6-8 or maybe 10 years . So say 8 years it will have another 90,000 or so miles so 170,000 total. So over that time my lift will cost me 300 per year, Its all rebuildable in case shocks do get soft etc so no issues there , tthe 03 was paid in cash so no money there. So its an investment I wanted the nest ride and handling available and I got it .
Now onto say an OME lift, my first one lasted 100,000 miles, I had less than 650 bucks in it ( 2005) so figure that out over the number of miles and it was a wise investment
BUT anything you do to a Jeep or any other ride is not purely what it cost, its the fun you have building it, the changes you make that make people stop you on the street and say WOW never knew you could do that to one of those etc. NO ONE says you have to have all of those things that you think add up to 3000 bucks, its your choice to do what you want.
We all make suggestions and give the best advice we can , from experience on the forums for years and what others have done, problems they may of had etc . In the end do what you want, if you want to run 32s and 2.5 inches of lift with stock gears , no problem for us LOL
 

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Hey thanks for your responses..

In that case I am thinking I'll go with 255/70s to reduce the loss of power, I guess it matters going 2 size levels up instead of 3 from my current worn 235/70s.

I am running 255 70 16 on stock wheels. The tires rub on the upper control arm. There is barely a gap front or back. Could never use tire chains...So that size won't save you
 

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I am running 255 70 16 on stock wheels. The tires rub on the upper control arm. There is barely a gap front or back. Could never use tire chains...So that size won't save you



Is your Jeep lifted?


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Wheels with the proper backspacing will cure that issue
 

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Is your Jeep lifted?


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Yes, iron man, plus clevis lift and extra rear spacer. Stock wheels is what is killing me though. Not enough backspacing, but I painted them, so I want to keep them around for now.
 

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Yes, iron man, plus clevis lift and extra rear spacer. Stock wheels is what is killing me though. Not enough backspacing, but I painted them, so I want to keep them around for now.



Which type you got? The simple stock ones or the 6 star alloy ones?


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Yes, iron man, plus clevis lift and extra rear spacer. Stock wheels is what is killing me though. Not enough backspacing, but I painted them, so I want to keep them around for now.

Yes and no
I am running Moabs with 265-70-16s which has the same backspacing as the stock wheels
But also the JBA UCAs which help
 

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