RageOfFury has gone Synthetic!!

[loves_off_roading]

It probably won't hurt to use it this one time. But I wouldn't use it again. Here is a very helpful article:

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/opinions.html

 

[jeepskate]

It probably won't hurt to use it this one time. But I wouldn't use it again. Here is a very helpful article:

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/opinions.html

Unless I missed it, there's nothing on that list about the filter he bought.

 

[RageOfFury]

It probably won't hurt to use it this one time. But I wouldn't use it again. Here is a very helpful article:

http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/opinions.html

Unfortunately that article is almost 10 years old. Still some good info, but very outdated. Listen, I did my homework on this one. Visited a ton of automotive websites/forums and the Extended Guard filter is top notch.

You can view a cut open Fram XG filter here : http://tinypic.com/1r52cqr4

According to the guy that cut it open, it's built exactly like the Purolator Pure One. Same materials, same construction.

 

[loves_off_roading]

okay that Fram looks okay. I'm just saying most of the Fram stuff is crap. Except for a couple. It's good you researched it. I haven't heard of that one till now

 

[Redbone]

You can view a cut open Fram XG filter here : http://tinypic.com/1r52cqr4

According to the guy that cut it open, it's built exactly like the Purolator Pure One. Same materials, same construction.

I cannot see the bypass valve in that pic, a weak point in all Frams I have seen todate. Why not just by a Pure One if it is the standard the Fram is compared to?

 

[Redbone]

rewind. I took another look and although I can't see the sealing surface it appears to be tha same cheesy bypass as on their cheap filter. If so they do not seal. Of all the filters I have cut open Fram oil filters had the ONLY none sealing bypass valve. The plastic you see rests on the metal. Irregularities such as casting flash in the plastic allows oil to bypass unfiltered constantly.

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[Dave]

You guys almost got me ready to cut up some oil filters to see for myself.

I used to use the regular Fram filters years ago and never had a problem with them. But I have not used them in a long time. Maybe they make them cheaper now??? I don't know, but from the links it would seem so??

Seems like they also said that the Fram Extra Guard one was better than the regular Fram......if I am reading it right.

Anyway, synthitic oil is better than dino and that has been proven. I run syn in the KJ but I have a car that has had nothing but dino used in it for 10 years and 155,000+ miles with no indication of any problems.

Dave

 

[Redbone]

You guys almost got me ready to cut up some oil filters to see for myself.

I used to use the regular Fram filters years ago and never had a problem with them. But I have not used them in a long time. Maybe they make them cheaper now??? I don't know, but from the links it would seem so??

Seems like they also said that the Fram Extra Guard one was better than the regular Fram......if I am reading it right.

Anyway, synthitic oil is better than dino and that has been proven. I run syn in the KJ but I have a car that has had nothing but dino used in it for 10 years and 155,000+ miles with no indication of any problems.

Dave

#1 - How do you know you never had a problem with them. If oil was bypassing you wouldn't be able to tell.

#2 - Which group of synthetic are you referring to?

 

[Ry' N Jen]

Interesting stuff this!
I've been using Fram oil filters in my Mini's since the early 1980's and have never had a problem with them!

Oh, and did I mention that the engine oil is also used for the gearbox?

 

[Redbone]

Interesting stuff this!
I've been using Fram oil filters in my Mini's since the early 1980's and have never had a problem with them!

Once again you know this how?

 

[Redbone]

Oh, and did I mention that the engine oil is also used for the gearbox?

Gear viscosity does not match up exactly with crank case viscosity but roughly 10W crank case =75W gear. 30W crank case = 85W gear. Additives are totally different. Personally, I would never do that.

 

[ThunderbirdJunkie]

It depends on the gearbox.

Motorcycles are the same way.

Well, real motorcycles...not those Hardly Runagains and such, but REAL motorcycles

 

[Ry' N Jen]

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See below.

Gear viscosity does not match up exactly with crank case viscosity but roughly 10W crank case =75W gear. 30W crank case = 85W gear. Additives are totally different. Personally, I would never do that.

How do I know this?

By giving the Fram oil filters to a close and personal friend of mine who just happens to be one of the top Petrochemical Scientists at Shell Canada in the "Research and Development" department of Shell oil.

Maybe you have heard of Shell oil products?

So...

After running a full race engine worth more than a fully done out Jeep Liberty with all the bells and whistles...
Not to mention a manual gearbox and LSD diff that uses the same engine oil also worth close to a that of a KJ, I have never been let down with a Fram oil filter!

Put that into your pipe and smoke it!

I'm sick of all these pictures and **** saying that this isn't good and that ain't good...

Get over it finally!

 

[Redbone]

Once again you know this how?[/QUOTE

See below.



How do I know this?

By giving the Fram oil filters to a close and personal friend of mine who just happens to be one of the top Petrochemical Scientists at Shell Canada in the "Research and Development" department of Shell oil.

Maybe you have heard of Shell oil products?

So...

After running a full race engine worth more than a fully done out Jeep Liberty with all the bells and whistles...
Not to mention a manual gearbox and LSD diff that uses the same engine oil also worth close to a that of a KJ, I have never been let down with a Fram oil filter!

Put that into your pipe and smoke it!

I'm sick of all these pictures and **** saying that this isn't good and that ain't good...

Get over it finally!

Shell R&D? Does Shell make filters???

My son works for ExxonMobil, Baton Rouge refinery as a mechanical engineer. Maybe you have heard of them. We have full access to all the same experts and make good use of them. We are running a 1000 h.p. Camaro with turbocharger. My PERSONAL observations are FULLY supported by experts and the evidence is sitting on the shelf above my work bench on the side of GOOD filters.

I wouldn't let a Fram filter ride in the back seat of my KJ.

Now get over yourself with your sewing machine motors. Tell your Shell experts to pay some attention to the bypass valve seat interface. While they are at it tell them to test the bypass valve pressure. You are running on bypass.

This is all supported by independent labs that found other problems as well. Fram = junk and I fully agree that we could put this matter to rest FINALLY.

BTW, I don't smoke, thank you.

 

[Redbone]

It depends on the gearbox.

Motorcycles are the same way.

Well, real motorcycles...not those Hardly Runagains and such, but REAL motorcycles

Ah yes, the Hardlys! A motorcyclr company that makes a living selling .... noise. Engines truly worthy of Fram oil filters.

Actually motorcycles are the reason I came upon the conversion chart. 2 stroke engines with wet clutchs using engine oil seemed strange. Eventually I found 2 stroke specific oil. Currently all 4 use 2 stroke specific. If I had continued using crank case specifif our 2 antique bikes, 2 more recent mx bikes, and 3 crotch rockets would take the same oil. Strange!!!!

 

[RageOfFury]

You guys are funny. Even though the Fram filter I bought is worthy and of high quality, you still insist I go out and buy another brand.

I didn't buy it blindly. I researched the product and made a decision. If it was as crappy as the other filters Fram makes, I wouldn't have bought it. I have full confidence in this filter.

Also, stores that sell napa(wix) or purolator or mobil 1 are open when I am at work. Since I work out in the middle of nowhere, there is no way I can get to a specialty store to purchase one.

End of discussion on Fram please. This isn't a "let's bash Fram" thread.

 

[Redbone]

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JFWY! Tis a free country. That is why they sell sooooo many different brands.

 

[kb0nly]

You guys seriously need to come down off your pedestals and shut up about Fram...

Every oil change thread on here has turned into bashing Fram filters. I have run Fram filters on everything for 20 years, and my Dad did before me. I haven't had any problems and i am generally known to keep my vehicles for 200k or until they fall apart, and every one of them still had a good running engine when i got rid of them. So tell me, if i can get 200k of use out of a motor using Fram filters then what the hell is wrong with them??

As for the other brands.. I'm not saying Fram is better or worse than them, but i know from Experience there is NOTHING WRONG with Fram. We ran them in everything from the lawn mower to the large 4wd tractors on the farm, some of the equipment we were using them on had a very limited selection of brands that even made one to fit because some filter companies think there is more money in one market than another and don't always produce filters to fit agricultural equipment.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, and don't try to tell me Fram is crap.

 

[Redbone]

You guys seriously need to come down off your pedestals and shut up about Fram...

Every oil change thread on here has turned into bashing Fram filters. I have run Fram filters on everything for 20 years, and my Dad did before me. I haven't had any problems and i am generally known to keep my vehicles for 200k or until they fall apart, and every one of them still had a good running engine when i got rid of them. So tell me, if i can get 200k of use out of a motor using Fram filters then what the hell is wrong with them??

As for the other brands.. I'm not saying Fram is better or worse than them, but i know from Experience there is NOTHING WRONG with Fram. We ran them in everything from the lawn mower to the large 4wd tractors on the farm, some of the equipment we were using them on had a very limited selection of brands that even made one to fit because some filter companies think there is more money in one market than another and don't always produce filters to fit agricultural equipment.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, and don't try to tell me Fram is crap.

So who needs to come down off of their high horse now???(whistle)

Na, I can't tell ya they are crap .... but if they improve a little they could be.

 

[HoosierJeeper]

Folks...drop the Fram thing. It's your Jeep, run what you like.

Keep this up, and this thread will be locked.