Question on my engine coolant choice

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I saw I needed to be topped up on coolant, so I went to Walmart to pick some up there were maybe 5 options, some said Asian specific, GM specific and such. So I bought the one that said it is good for Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep and Ford/Lincoln. The brand is STP and is premixed.
When I got home, I checked the manual and started wondering if what I bought was the right choice and if it will ruin the engine. (I already put it in there now so no turning back really)

Does it matter that much or am I safe?
 

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Is it a HOAT coolant if not change it out

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Not likely. HOAT tends to only come in the form of Zerex G05 and Mopar fluid. I think some VW fluids are also HOAT but no examples come to mind.
 

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I looked all over the bottle and nothing said hoat. I know it said that in the manual but TBH I didn't see anything in the store that said HOAT either. So this was basically my only option there.
 

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I looked all over the bottle and nothing said hoat. I know it said that in the manual but TBH I didn't see anything in the store that said HOAT either. So this was basically my only option there.

Understood. Which is why, now that you have time to be prepared, that you should definitely flush it out. Napa and Advance Auto carry Zerex by me.
 

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Understood and freaking out.
Never flushed a system before, is it complicated? Should I get RIGHT ON IT (a bit nippy outside) or can it wait like, 7 more days?
Don't get me wrong, I wanna fix it asap, but I also wanna know how much time I have before the bomb detonates.
 

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understood and freaking out.
Never flushed a system before, is it complicated? Should i get right on it (a bit nippy outside) or can it wait like, 7 more days?
Don't get me wrong, i wanna fix it asap, but i also wanna know how much time i have before the bomb detonates.

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If you're adding coolant or replacing it without flushing the system, it is important (mixing dissimilar additives could lead to undesirable consequences - sedimentation, jelling, etc..)

If you're completely replacing the coolant and doing a chemical flush of the system, it's not essential to use HOAT coolant.. any universal long life antifreeze will work just as well in cooling the engine and will have similar corrosion protection..

Coolant: Zerex G-05 HOAT, a Valvoline product, is available at WalMart here at a reasonable price. The Ford version is yellow, the Chrysler version is orange.
HOAT = Hybrid OAT, ie it is OAT with some silicates in it, not a big deal if considering PEAK or Prestone all vehicle extended life coolants coolants (these are OAT).
I ran the Original Green in my 2002 for a couple of years with no problems. The trend now days is low to no silicates and for the coolants to last for 5 years. So, HOAT is a low silicate coolant and OAT has 0 silicates. Neither have phosphates.

Water: Why take a chance on tap water although that may be what you get if done at a repair shop? Distilled water is not expensive and demineralized water is even less expensive at about $5.00 for 18.5 litres/5 US gallons.

Interesting enough, even Original Green can be low silicate and long life these days. Take Zerex Original Green for example @ http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_original_green.pdf It is low silicate (<250 ppm) and long life (5 years/100,000 miles).

Zerex G-05 HOAT states typically < 240 ppm silicate @ http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_g05.pdf Go figure on that miniscule difference when compared to Original Green.

Can't go wrong with Zerex G-05 HOAT and demineralized water. If doing a complete replacement, I would also take a look at PEAK Lifetime antifreeze, depending on how much longer I planned on owning the vehicle. Peak seems to be very competitive and readily available here.

You can blame the Europeans for this HOAT stuff. That's where it all started.
"HOAT" (Hybrid Organic Acid Technology) antifreeze is usually dyed yellow but may also be dyed orange or green. HOAT coolants are currently used by Ford, Chrysler, Mercedes, BMW and Volvo. The additive package in a HOAT formula coolant also contains silicates for added aluminum protection. Most of the antifreezes in this category also meet the European "G-O5" specification for hybrid extended life coolant. The service life for HOAT is also five years or 150,000 miles.
The following article @ Home | G.H. Berlin-Windward gives great information on coolants and answers the OP's question very well.
If a customer chooses a different type of coolant than that which was originally in the vehicle's cooling system, the cooling system should be flushed to remove all of the old coolant. This will avoid any potential incompatibility issues between IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. We have not heard of any horror stories of bad things happening inside a cooling system when different types of coolants are intermixed. But antifreeze suppliers caution against mixing different types. Their advice is to use "same with same."

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If you're adding coolant or replacing it without flushing the system, it is important (mixing dissimilar additives could lead to undesirable consequences - sedimentation, jelling, etc..)

If you're completely replacing the coolant and doing a chemical flush of the system, it's not essential to use HOAT coolant.. any universal long life antifreeze will work just as well in cooling the engine and will have similar corrosion protection..

Coolant: Zerex G-05 HOAT, a Valvoline product, is available at WalMart here at a reasonable price. The Ford version is yellow, the Chrysler version is orange.
HOAT = Hybrid OAT, ie it is OAT with some silicates in it, not a big deal if considering PEAK or Prestone all vehicle extended life coolants coolants (these are OAT).
I ran the Original Green in my 2002 for a couple of years with no problems. The trend now days is low to no silicates and for the coolants to last for 5 years. So, HOAT is a low silicate coolant and OAT has 0 silicates. Neither have phosphates.

Water: Why take a chance on tap water although that may be what you get if done at a repair shop? Distilled water is not expensive and demineralized water is even less expensive at about $5.00 for 18.5 litres/5 US gallons.

Interesting enough, even Original Green can be low silicate and long life these days. Take Zerex Original Green for example @ http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_original_green.pdf It is low silicate (<250 ppm) and long life (5 years/100,000 miles).

Zerex G-05 HOAT states typically < 240 ppm silicate @ http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/zerex_g05.pdf Go figure on that miniscule difference when compared to Original Green.

Can't go wrong with Zerex G-05 HOAT and demineralized water. If doing a complete replacement, I would also take a look at PEAK Lifetime antifreeze, depending on how much longer I planned on owning the vehicle. Peak seems to be very competitive and readily available here.

You can blame the Europeans for this HOAT stuff. That's where it all started.
"HOAT" (Hybrid Organic Acid Technology) antifreeze is usually dyed yellow but may also be dyed orange or green. HOAT coolants are currently used by Ford, Chrysler, Mercedes, BMW and Volvo. The additive package in a HOAT formula coolant also contains silicates for added aluminum protection. Most of the antifreezes in this category also meet the European "G-O5" specification for hybrid extended life coolant. The service life for HOAT is also five years or 150,000 miles.
The following article @ Home | G.H. Berlin-Windward gives great information on coolants and answers the OP's question very well.
If a customer chooses a different type of coolant than that which was originally in the vehicle's cooling system, the cooling system should be flushed to remove all of the old coolant. This will avoid any potential incompatibility issues between IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. We have not heard of any horror stories of bad things happening inside a cooling system when different types of coolants are intermixed. But antifreeze suppliers caution against mixing different types. Their advice is to use "same with same."

c/p

I don't know why all cars can't just use one type of anti freeze. Like it's harder than choosing motor oil.

Honestly though, for all I know the system could already be ruined. The car is now 10 years old and has never had it's cooling flushed. With it's few service stations visits and my auto teacher topping it up for me at one point, I'm sure there could be at least 3 different types of coolant in there.

MAybe during this week I'll get the time to do it, but there is about 4 inches of snow out there and it's minus 10 so it's probably better if I procrastinate, I MEAN wait.
 

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You'll be OK for a few days. It's not desirable but it is what it is.

As far as flushing and adding anything - I always thought OAT coolants and the likes had some different effects on our water pumps and what not. I figured...why not use what the engine was designed to use? Best for longevity. And coolant is something you need to so rarely change that price doesn't even come to mind.
 

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You'll be OK for a few days. It's not desirable but it is what it is.

As far as flushing and adding anything - I always thought OAT coolants and the likes had some different effects on our water pumps and what not. I figured...why not use what the engine was designed to use? Best for longevity. And coolant is something you need to so rarely change that price doesn't even come to mind.

Thinking about it, it's actually the cheapest longest lasting repair I can do to my Jeep. Makes me feel better about it actually.

I just hope whatevers already in there won't give me trouble upon flushing.
 

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It'll be fine for a few days. Just get it flushed good, I'd even take it to the dealer, costs like $150 and you'll know it's done right.

I'd rather top off with the wrong coolant in a pinch than overheat.
 

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If you're completely replacing the coolant and doing a chemical flush of the system, it's not essential to use HOAT coolant.. any universal long life antifreeze will work just as well in cooling the engine and will have similar corrosion protection..

Your actually wrong in this statement.Cooling systems are designed for a certain coolant.Ford has done tests using OAT coolant and others in place of HOAT and found serious damage to the water pump from incorrect coolant use.
 

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It'll be fine for a few days. Just get it flushed good, I'd even take it to the dealer, costs like $150 and you'll know it's done right.

I'd rather top off with the wrong coolant in a pinch than overheat.




^^^this.


Also the dealer will flush the system with a machine before they refill with HOAT and better than you can do in your driveway.


Dave
 

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Your actually wrong in this statement.Cooling systems are designed for a certain coolant.Ford has done tests using OAT coolant and others in place of HOAT and found serious damage to the water pump from incorrect coolant use.

Indeed. Much like using the incorrect brake fluid can do, the seals and gaskets are prone to failure when mixing fluids in significant enough quantities. Rubber reacts very badly to chemical interactions that normally shouldn't be happening.
 

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