newbie question about isos and spring rings

[hadtomer]

Hello

I have been wheeling the snot out of my 2006 liberty - i have had it for 2 months- one of which has been with my jba lift - its the 3.5 econolift.

on the back its fine - on the front i have the a arms- top plate- OME springs and 0.375 clevis.and it always sits lower than the back. i don't know if the front is REALLY a 3.5 lift. the rear definately is.

However- on the front its lower than the back and even now that it has settled- i need some more lift.


the way i see it i still have 2 options yet to explore-

using a spring isolator (is that what poeple refer to as iso?)
Front Strut Spring Isolator

or a spring ring

JBA Spring Ring

what do you think? should i use those options?

thanx!!!!!!

 

[renegade 04]

Sounds like you should do a clevis lift.

 

[rjkj2005]

First question is what is it measuring from the center of wheel to bottom of fender flare? Then well go from there.

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[dude1116]

Do you have clevis spacers and top plates? What are your measurements from hub to bottom of the flare? You can only put 1 set of spring insulators in the coilover assembly...do you have those? If not, sounds like there is your problem You NEED a set of spring insulators.

 

[tommudd]

Hello

I have been wheeling the snot out of my 2006 liberty - i have had it for 2 months- one of which has been with my jba lift - its the 3.5 econolift.

on the back its fine - on the front i have the a arms- top plate- OME springs and 0.375 clevis.and it always sits lower than the back. i don't know if the front is REALLY a 3.5 lift. the rear definately is.

However- on the front its lower than the back and even now that it has settled- i need some more lift.


the way i see it i still have 2 options yet to explore-

using a spring isolator (is that what poeple refer to as iso?)
Front Strut Spring Isolator

or a spring ring

JBA Spring Ring

what do you think? should i use those options?

thanx!!!!!!

Wow :emotions34:, its a 3.5 inch lift , you are at that in the front I'll bet and if you go higher you will have UCA/ Spring contact on bumps
we designed it that way
Start adding and you'll have that and some other issues

Lost of people do not know that the spring rings you are showing INCREASE the spring rate , not made to provide lift

 

[hadtomer]

Do you have clevis spacers and top plates? What are your measurements from hub to bottom of the flare? You can only put 1 set of spring insulators in the coilover assembly...do you have those? If not, sounds like there is your problem You NEED a set of spring insulators.

yes- i do have the top plate and 0.375 clevis lift AND ome springs- the ride comfort is amazing and the craftsmenship is great- but the rear sits exactly 1 inch higher than the front.

I have no spring isolators on my jeep at all- is it my bad? should i have had those installed? even over here- they are dirt cheap. be a shame to re install the springs and all that....but i dont like the fact that the rear is so high compared to the front

 

[hadtomer]

Lost of people do not know that the spring rings you are showing INCREASE the spring rate , not made to provide lift

that's why i asked. seems kind of wrong to add those- i guess the OME springs are tailor made for the OME shocks- and adding anything in between will not be good.

however- from all the pictures i have seen and the posts i have been reading - people who use the JBA 3.5 econolift do have rigs that are taller than mine up front (i guess its just me being too **** about it.....cant watch my jeep with its rear taller than the front- im running humble 245/75R16 tires and they are rubbing badly) and they do use spring isolators.

so that got me wondering-if the rear is taller than the front - maybe i should have used the spring isolators? after all- they are OEM factory equipment.

 

[hadtomer]

Wow :emotions34:, its a 3.5 inch lift

btw- im not an engineer - but i did the math- with an engineer......(who works for jeep. we have a jeep factory over here. you learn something new every day).

OME springs- give 1.5 inches of lift

top plate ( X2 for suspension geometry) - 0.5 inches of lift.

clevis ( X2 again)- 0.75 inches of lift

by my calculation that is 2.75 inches - which accounts for the lack of lift compared to the rear.

I have to say-I mean no disrespect - english is not my native tongue and i dont want to be misunderstood - im not trying to offend in any way- and i do understand that i am an annoying newbie- and i do realise now that you designed the suspension on the 3.5 econolift (imagine me- thousands of miles away kicking myself. REAL hard) - but the way i see it- i DO have a jeep with its rear end teller than the front- and well......size matters.....so i cant help feeling that maybe i did something wrong and i didn't install the spring isolators.

 

[tommudd]

btw- im not an engineer - but i did the math- with an engineer......(who works for jeep. we have a jeep factory over here. you learn something new every day).

OME springs- give 1.5 inches of lift

top plate ( X2 for suspension geometry) - 0.5 inches of lift.

clevis ( X2 again)- 0.75 inches of lift

by my calculation that is 2.75 inches - which accounts for the lack of lift compared to the rear.

I have to say-I mean no disrespect - english is not my native tongue and i dont want to be misunderstood - im not trying to offend in any way- and i do understand that i am an annoying newbie- and i do realise now that you designed the suspension on the 3.5 econolift (imagine me- thousands of miles away kicking myself. REAL hard) - but the way i see it- i DO have a jeep with its rear end teller than the front- and well......size matters.....so i cant help feeling that maybe i did something wrong and i didn't install the spring isolators.

OME springs(if they are 927s)give you 2.5 inches of lift , top plate gives you 1/2 inch lift , then 3/8 inch clevis gives you 3/4 inch

 

[tommudd]

I have no spring isolators on my jeep at all- is it my bad? should i have had those installed? even over here- they are dirt cheap. be a shame to re install the springs and all that....but i dont like the fact that the rear is so high compared to the front

You have none on the front or rear? Need them on all 4 corners, top and bottom

 

[JasonJ]

Just because OME says the 927's are a 1.5" lift doesn't mean it's true. Because it's not. It actually gives a 2.5" lift; all that Tom posted is corrected. You should get slightly more than a 3.5" lift from the front, which should settle to a solid 3.5".

Also, you should not have skipped putting isolators in the front strut/spring assembly. They NEED to be there. Your entire assembled strut assembly is likely now half an inch or more too short, resulting in your shorter front end.

 

[tommudd]

The 1.5 inch listed is for insurance reasons in the land down under. I've never seen any 927s that did not give 2.5 inches of lift when properly installed

 

[dude1116]

yes- i do have the top plate and 0.375 clevis lift AND ome springs- the ride comfort is amazing and the craftsmenship is great- but the rear sits exactly 1 inch higher than the front.

I have no spring isolators on my jeep at all- is it my bad? should i have had those installed? even over here- they are dirt cheap. be a shame to re install the springs and all that....but i dont like the fact that the rear is so high compared to the front

How could you have no spring insulators? In the rear it might be fine (noisy, probably...but fine) but in the front the spring would probably slip and slide in the mount. Also be crooked. Just doesn't work that way. Did you put them together?

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See how there's an insulator on the top and the bottom of the spring?

 

[tommudd]

:help:
:mfr_omg:
:smokin:
:badidea:

 

[hadtomer]

You have none on the front or rear? Need them on all 4 corners, top and bottom

NO-i do not. time to have a word with the shop. they are jeep specialists and should have known better.

btw-on the front and rear-do i need an isolator on top AND on the bottom of the spring?

 

[JeepinJarhead03]

NO-i do not. time to have a word with the shop. they are jeep specialists and should have known better.

btw-on the front and rear-do i need an isolator on top AND on the bottom of the spring?

there's supposed to be molded "catcher" isos on top and bottom of the front springs like what's shown in the photo dude1116 posted, see how the spring is being "caught" by the iso

the rear springs should have standard flat pancake iso's on the top and bottom, more or less just to prevent them from being noisy. i would more or less call the front necessary and the rear extremely preferred

if new front iso's weren't provided with the parts you gave them they should have reused the ones from the old struts, which they had to take apart anyway to use your old top mounting plates(the part that has the bolts) unless new ones were provided

 

[hadtomer]

. Just doesn't work that way. Did you put them together?


No - i did not- a jeep "specialist" did the job (the quote simbol is not an accident) - i guess i should have known better. thing is that over here they all know their wranglers and rubicons and CJ real well- and the poor liberty is kind of left in the shade regarding knowlege- even simple know how like how to install a f$#$#@$ spring. which is a shame cause the spring insulators are dirt cheap. got a set of 4 pieces from a local shop this morning (don't mind the hebrew....but its like 20 dollars a piece)

https://www.jeepland.co.il/product/4669-תושבת-קפיץ-קדמי-עליונה-ותחתונה-ליברטי-KJ

I am really pissed off about it - i am new to the liberty but not a newbie to offroading.

and i DID notice a noisy front end on bumps.

such a shame- now i have to take it back to the specialist to take out the srtuts- and springs- to install the insulators. how embarassing........

anyway- i am really thankful for the help.

 

[hadtomer]

The 1.5 inch listed is for insurance reasons in the land down under. I've never seen any 927s that did not give 2.5 inches of lift when properly installed

we have the same severe lift laws- and i went to an OME dealer to check out the catalogue- it says 1.5 inch lift on the 927 springs for the liberty (well- we go by the metric system but you get the idea). of course- i didnt buy mine over here- i got the complete package fron JBA. anyway- regarding the lift law In my case- the 3.5 inch lift-according to our law-means i have to pay a higher insurance premium and it sure is harder for me to pass a yearly inspection,

anyway- i dont think a company as big as OME would risk being caught cheating. so many offroaders around the world use OME springs- and people count on the information published by ome to be correct. lift laws in many countries are very strict and punishment is very severe.over here, if i lift my rig it must pass an inspection by an engineer - and the title to m y rig will include a *special section* that says it is lifted- and exacty how much lift- and what brand of lift (say "old man emu springs- part number .......1.5 inch lift). so if i buy an OME spring that says it will lift my jeep 1.5 inches - and a simple road side inspection by a cop with too much free time and a measuring tape- will reveal that it is in fact 2.5 inches- and i will have my car impounded or i will have to pay a fine- i sure am gonna be pissed at OME and for a good reason. thats why i dont think OME would cheat on the specs of the lift.

 

[jeeplib05]

I would love to see what your front coil over looks like without iso's on it
I cannot imagine how it would be held together without them so please take some pictures whenever you get the chance

 

[tommudd]

:help::Insane:
Jeep experts installed your lift.............:happy175:
Sorry but its funny
As far as OME 927s giving 2.5 inches of lift, its a known fact, on all of the forums etc , most of us have known it for years and years