Ironman 4x4 Kit for $525 - starting a build

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Check Providence, RI Craiglist That said lift with JBA was on it. That said I did an OME/Bilstein lift as per Tom Mudd, nice 926/947 very satisfied.
 

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Unless you are stepping up more than .5" in tire size, longer bump stops shouldn't be necessary
It depends. Two inches of lift should have 2 inches of bump stops so you don't stack your springs or bottom out your shocks, even if you don't change tire sizes. It's not just to keep the tires from contacting the fenders.
 

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FWIW, the components don't appear to be 2" longer than stock, and those springs are sagged (100k miles)
 

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FWIW, the components don't appear to be 2" longer than stock, and those springs are sagged (100k miles)
Of course not
while they can appear to be the same length/height overall it is the spring rating that makes the difference and provides lift
The OME 927 and 790 front springs are almost identical in overall height
But with 927s being a 400 lb spring, and the 790 at 500 , holds up more weight etc.

PLUS the front springs already being installed with the shocks, the overall length of the shock is what is holding both the same , so picture does not show anything in reality
 

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Of course not
while they can appear to be the same length/height overall it is the spring rating that makes the difference and provides lift
The OME 927 and 790 front springs are almost identical in overall height
But with 927s being a 400 lb spring, and the 790 at 500 , holds up more weight etc.

PLUS the front springs already being installed with the shocks, the overall length of the shock is what is holding both the same , so picture does not show anything in reality
Agreed. So you think a higher spring rate increases the likelihood of fully compressing the shock?
 

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Right. So why does he think stiffer springs warrant longer bump stops if they're less likely to fully compress than stock?
 

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I think the idea is that even with stronger lifted springs, the suspension will articulate when off road, and without bump stops that extreme flex could bottom out or top out your shocks, damaging them.
 

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Mini-updates: I measured 18.5" at all 4 corners, did a visual inspection, there's a good bit of rust, but nothing beyond surface rust, at this point. Shop gave me a good quote on the work, so I went with them instead of doing the work myself. The shop said they needed new sway bar links and cam bolts on the front, they should arrive today for install (add'l $157).

I asked them to loosen the bolts on the rock sliders since those have the most visible rust (which really bothers the wife), I'll remove them, clean and paint them before reinstalling.

I ordered 245/75R16 Toyo Open Country ATIII 111 tires (not the RT245s, which are significantly heavier, almost 10lbs, I'm assuming higher ply-count), I know it's a risky size with this lift, and will be pounding the pinch weld/adding spacers and seeing what we can do to make it work. The shop is a wheel/tire/truck-lift shop, so we'll get things figured out. They also very nearly price-matched Jegs which had the best prices. I prefer giving money to local shops, so I chose the slightly more expensive option of ordering through the shop. Also generates good will with them ;) They initially asked for $200 per tire, found them $170 online, they matched to $180. Inflation *****.
 

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Some photos of the new parts and measurements. Thery included an air-down valve with the lift kit, wasn't expecting that. My son had his thumb over the one corner, (front left).
 

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I think the idea is that even with stronger lifted springs, the suspension will articulate when off road, and without bump stops that extreme flex could bottom out or top out your shocks, damaging them.
So the assumption is you'll take a "lifted" truck off-road but not a stock one? Otherwise, wouldn't stock be more prone to damage?

I put "lifted" in quotes because, for this kit at least, it doesn't seem like the shocks/springs are much different in length (see my post above). The lift occurs because the springs are simply stiffer; the actual articulation range doesn't differ (at least not so much to warrant extended length bump stops).
 
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So the assumption is you'll take a "lifted" truck off-road but not a stock one? Otherwise, wouldn't stock be more prone to damage?

I put "lifted" in quotes because, for this kit at least, it doesn't seem like the shocks/springs are much different in length (see my post above). The lift occurs because the springs are simply stiffer; the actual articulation range doesn't differ (at least not so much to warrant extended length bump stops).
Welp since we only give opinions on a forum ..that was most of our opinions ,if you feel you dont need them then dont install them ,kinda simple really
 

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Welp since we only give opinions on a forum ..that was most of our opinions ,if you feel you dont need them then dont install them ,kinda simple really

I'm trying to figure out why everyone seems to have this opinion when no one can defend it
 

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