Four wheel drive

hey guys i was watching trucks on spike and i saw them which out the front diff and rear diff on a wrangler because its four wheel drive was slipping when trying to go up hills from side to side and i noticed mine has done it before engaging my front right tire and my rear right tire at same time but not spinning my front left and rear left tires. does anyone know what im talking about ? i got a 2004 limited edition liberty with part time 4x4 in it. i just wanna know if anyone knows of any good set ups for a rear dif and front dif to fix this problem. like i said i saw it on spike t.v but it doesn't mean they made them for liberty's too.

You are looking for a Detroit Tru-Trac ,Detroit Locker,or a lunchbox locker. There are many variations of traction control devices. A rear locker is a Major improvement over open rear.

Yes they make "them" for KJ's
They are called lockers
you need to do a BUNCH of googling to understand what you want/need
because I have never seen a KJ LTD with "part time 4wd"
seen them with an NP242
which has
2wd
4wd high part time
4wd high full time
N
4wd low
That being said I would only ever buy a Detroit locker for the rear
but mine is not a DD and never sees snow
I would also only ever buy a Detroit True Trac or an ARB for the front ,I have the ARB
the others ,IMO, are junk

and loose the grill guard and get you some tow points up front

Limited 4wd KJ here that originally came with Command Trac t-case.


The select trac was a option,besides US CRD's where select trac was standard and no option for select trac behind a manual trans.

thanks a lot guys i couldnt think of what to really look up but now i got a good idea and yea u dont see many with the part time system. but thats what lights up and and i only have 2hi 4hi n 4 low. love the jeep. but now im even thinking about selling it to get a wrangler but mostly because i love manuals and my liberty isnt.

timmytom1991 said:

thanks a lot guys i couldnt think of what to really look up but now i got a good idea and yea u dont see many with the part time system. but thats what lights up and and i only have 2hi 4hi n 4 low. love the jeep. but now im even thinking about selling it to get a wrangler but mostly because i love manuals and my liberty isnt.

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Auto = better off road
Less shock load = less breakage
Auto = almost no shock load
I have run both stick shift and auto off road
auto wins hands down

timmytom1991 said:

thanks a lot guys i couldnt think of what to really look up but now i got a good idea and yea u dont see many with the part time system. but thats what lights up and and i only have 2hi 4hi n 4 low. love the jeep. but now im even thinking about selling it to get a wrangler but mostly because i love manuals and my liberty isnt.

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Automatic transmission equipped four wheel drive vehicles are easier to drive off road than a manual equipped 4X4. Automatic equipped vehicles can also tow more payload (5000lbs. Compared to 3000 lbs for a manual ******)
The only way you are going to get power to all four wheels so you don't have the one wheel spinning on each axle is to fit locking differentials.
Once you have done that and have them engaged (turned on/locked) you will then have real 4X4 four wheel drive! Regardless of wether your dash light says "Part time or "Full time"
Part time (4 high) means you use it on loose surfaces or loose and wet surfaces on moderately difficult terrain and Full time (4 Low) is for more challenging terrain. Full time 4X4 is "All wheel drive" which you can use on or off road in any weather condition.

I wouldn't get a Wrangler just because the towing capacity is less. Other than that, they look pretty sharp but everyone in town has one.

BjBnet said:

I wouldn't get a Wrangler just because the towing capacity is less. Other than that, they look pretty sharp but everyone in town has one.

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I love my 2000 pound towing capacity lol

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ms5490renegade said:

I love my 2000 pound towing capacity lol

sent from my EVO 3D

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wow the all mighty JK can only tow 2K#'s

my TJ is good for 2K as well
go figure

J-Thompson said:

wow the all mighty JK can only tow 2K#'s

my TJ is good for 2K as well
go figure

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I like tjs look more but as an low budget offroad beast I don't think anything can top the Kj renegade and jk rubies

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Off topic here...
Jen's looking at a super clean '99 Cherokee Sport 2 door for herself as a daily driver. But she is also considering a Wrangler!

ms5490renegade said:

I like tjs look more but as an low budget offroad beast I don't think anything can top the Kj renegade and jk rubies

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I hope I am reading this wrong and you are not
implying 2 things
1 a KJ is more off road capable than a TJ
2 a JK rubi is in any way a "budget" off roader

Consider this ,my TJ had 30k miles on it
Hard top ,full doors ,auto ,Dana 44 ect.
I paid $14,500 private sale
I have about $6-$8k in mods
That puts me at the $20k mark
Some of those mods are "safety" mods which would need to
Be done to a JK rubi that already cost $12k more after mods
oh and I paid cash so no fear or using it as a beater
Even a TJ rubi could not be considered a "budget off roader"

Ry' N Jen said:

Automatic transmission equipped four wheel drive vehicles are easier to drive off road than a manual equipped 4X4. Automatic equipped vehicles can also tow more payload (5000lbs. Compared to 3000 lbs for a manual ******)

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eee WRONG.... got a kj 06 sport with a 3.7 6 speed.... rated 5000 pounds..... in the owner manual and tested....

simond said:

eee WRONG.... got a kj 06 sport with a 3.7 6 speed.... rated 5000 pounds..... in the owner manual and tested....

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Actually your wrong,the owners manual covers all trans and engines so you looked in the wrong section.No manual trans KJ was ever rated for more then 3500lbs.You need the auto trans with HD cooling package for the 5000lbs tow rating,no HD cooling the auto is rated at 3500lbs also.


5k behind that craptastic 6 speed must have been pure torture for your clutch.

I have a brochure I can scan, with all towing capacities....which agrees with TJKJ.

HI all,

I am curious....I understand the shock absorbsion given by a torque converter and auto but...why do Land Rover ONLY fit the Defender with a manual transmission? Ok, it does have a giant clutch and bulletproof gearbox but how come Jeep don't?

To get a manual trans in a JK here in New Zealand requires aspecial order that will only be filled when they have orders for 8 or more!!!!!

Damned nuicance as I would love a 2.8diesel manual.

Ry' N Jen said:

...Regardless of wether your dash light says "Part time or "Full time" Part time (4 high) means you use it on loose surfaces or loose and wet surfaces on moderately difficult terrain and Full time (4 Low) is for more challenging terrain. Full time 4X4 is "All wheel drive" which you can use on or off road in any weather condition.

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Not to get too picky here...The dash light will be different for Part Time and Full time - but "4 Lo" is NOT a Full Time system - can't run it on dry pavement. But the SelecTrac 242 Full Time setting CAN be run 12 months out of the year on any surface without destroying the diffs and/or transfer case. Yea, more like a true all-wheel-drive system- aka Full Time. The Part Time can only be run part of the time on those loose surfaces so it's called Part Time.

Ry, I know you know this and I'm not trying to be **** here or anything - but there are newbies reading this and we don't want them leaving drivetrain parts scattered across their local highways... arty52:

Bob

tjkj2002 said:

Actually your wrong,the owners manual covers all trans and engines so you looked in the wrong section.No manual trans KJ was ever rated for more then 3500lbs.You need the auto trans with HD cooling package for the 5000lbs tow rating,no HD cooling the auto is rated at 3500lbs also.


5k behind that craptastic 6 speed must have been pure torture for your clutch.

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i ended up trading my liberty in for a Tj i love it to death inline 6 with a 5 speed. it sure feels like its got power even pulling 2 quads on a trailer compaired to the old liberty but then again i got the dana 44 and i think its got a good gear ratio for towing in it cause i dont even know much of a difference between a trailer with two quads and normal. only 2k towing rating but only way i can tell is when i start going to slow down for stop signs. either way jeeps are the only way.

I pull a boat that weights right around 3200 pounds dry without gas with my liberty and I'd say it needs more stopping power and its a tad sluggish for passing and most defiantly is not rated for 5K IMO and I've pulled a boat that weights about 4800pounds and it struggled on take offs and god forbid a light turn red real quick or you have to panic brake. But IMO jeep's in general I don't think were ever designed to actually ever handle more then 2500 pounds in the actual real world maybe on a closed course but that's about it.