If you've had the rear seat out then you know that would be hard to do
What did you do to your jeep today?
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If you've had the rear seat out then you know that would be hard to do
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sorry i'm late to the 'towing' party.
if you're twitchin' you're loaded wrong somehow. too much or too little tongue weight are the primary culprits. rocking means you're loaded too tall.
Hockeygoon
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I own (and owned) good tow vehicles, I doubt even with a rebuilt and re-engineered suspension that I would call a Liberty a "good" tow vehicle. I was just surprised how poor it actually was.
Hate to argue with that but it truly is a good tow vehicle
The trailers I have ( the 5X9 open and 6 X 10 enclosed ) have been pulled by at least 7 of my vehicles including Ford and GMC pickups, a 2 different XJs etc and the KJ does just as good as any of them. Maybe not as much power on hills but pulls just as good as any of them.
I think you're giving the KJ a bad name without trying to repair the problems with yours.
Also some experience with towing since I've been pulling trailers etc since I was 9 or 10, over the road driver for several years as well . Lots of loaded and unloaded miles over the years
Hockeygoon
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Just curious - how long does the suspension last on your Ford and GMC pickups before needing to be rebuilt?
50,000-60,000 at most
I hate a crappy ride and upgrade everything I have
KJ got upgraded at 20,000 miles
One GMC 1/2 ton short bed got all new upgraded suspension at 5000 miles
Why ?
Most OE shocks are done by 50,000 miles , so have to replace them at the very least
None of my vehicles are left to sag, rot into the ground
Stared doing brake and suspension work back in the very early 70s and have always had a good riding and handling vehicle. I enjoy building and riding in one with a well designed system, NOT stock or one with 100,000 plus miles and nothing done
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Hockeygoon
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Having owned better I expect better. We normally average 200K out of Chevy 1500s and Ford F150s before selling and usually pay for one set of shocks. In over 4 million fleet miles the last 5 years one Chevy needed new rear springs - as a result of abuse. I'm really surprised that people think getting 20-30K out of a set of springs is acceptable.
John3seventeen
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Mine pulled this one just fine through the mountains of southern WV. It was loaded a lot heavier than this pic shows. And this was with the stock sagged suspension.
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200K out of shocks and springs is running them well after they are done for
You may not think so or notice it but they are.
I swapped mine out at 20,000 due to wanting the best there is/ was at the time. Do you also run the cheapest tires, cheapest brake pads, etc
Upgrading suspension on any vehicle helps in the overall ride and handling especially in a " FLEET "
Of course most people who have fleets run them till they are dead and then trade them with minimum maintenance
By the way my last GMC went over 275,000 before I sold it, the Ford F150 went close to 300,000 both were sold to people who waited to buy them from me
But have a nice day, you run yours the way you want and complain, I'll run mine and enjoy the ride every mile :icon_lol::whip:
Hockeygoon
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200K out of the springs. We also have a ready list of buyers for our vehicles both dealers and individuals - that's why we never trade. I might just have a bit more experience with this than you might imagine.
My personal experience with Jeep products has been short - my own Liberty and 2 2014 Grand Cherokees Limiteds that are part of the fleet - owners vehicles. One of the Grand Cherokees has already been sold (traded at 28K) and the other will probably be sold in the next couple of months - that one will be traded too because I won't sell it to someone I hope to sell to again. The experience with all three is they are 100% crap. Both 2014s have been in the shop numerous times to repair electrical issues that have existed since day one and the dealership has basically told us its a common enough issue that Chrysler will eventually figure out. Mine was a nice low mileage vehicle that I hoped would be a decent commuter vehicle - way to high of expectations.
Just being nice here, I would suggest you do sell all of the Jeeps right away to people who appreciate them. Every manufacturer has some slip through with a few issues. I had one GMC that was in the shop more than I drove it the first year, so it went with less than 5000 miles on it. Swore I would never buy another but did and it was great. My KJ has been good to me and paid for itself many times over ( bought it brand new)
But again, what you think and what I think are worlds apart as far as taking care of vehicles and thats OK
have fun with whatever you buy next after ditching you KJ
Back on track here
front bumper cut on Low Down 03 , somewhat, sort of, kind of,
well middle lower section is gone
4XGuard skid ran up to matix brush guard
sides/fog lights are still there, just not sure where to go with cutting them
Have a plan , just not sure how its going to look
Guess if its real bad , will be time for that next build
:shrug:
front bumper cut on Low Down 03 , somewhat, sort of, kind of,
well middle lower section is gone
4XGuard skid ran up to matix brush guard
sides/fog lights are still there, just not sure where to go with cutting them
Have a plan , just not sure how its going to look
Guess if its real bad , will be time for that next build
:shrug:
Not to beat a dead horse but I traded my 2010 Silverado in at 67k on a new Jeep. At the time I had a Liberty with 110k and the Silverado. I chose to keep the old Jeep with 110k on it and get rid of the Chevy because I trust it more than I ever trusted the Chevy. As was previously said, ALL mfgs have their issues that slip trough.
yep.
mom bought her PT Crusier new in 2006. one of the first ones of the redux model to roll off the line, and with a stick shift. it was winter when we picked it up so we didn't know chrysler had a fault/surprise waiting for us. in the summer the A/C would cut out on 100F days. NOT COOL. took several stays at the dealership before chrysler finally came out with a fix. the problem was faulty code in the computer. turns out if you watched the ambient temp display, when it got hot enough the variable would overflow; it'd be 100+F outside but the display would read 32F or lower. well guess what... A/C systems are designed to shut down when the evap coil could FREEZE over. was that a frustrating time (for everyone involved)... hells yes. they got it fixed though and the car's been great ever since.
sometimes... shit happens.
mom bought her PT Crusier new in 2006. one of the first ones of the redux model to roll off the line, and with a stick shift. it was winter when we picked it up so we didn't know chrysler had a fault/surprise waiting for us. in the summer the A/C would cut out on 100F days. NOT COOL. took several stays at the dealership before chrysler finally came out with a fix. the problem was faulty code in the computer. turns out if you watched the ambient temp display, when it got hot enough the variable would overflow; it'd be 100+F outside but the display would read 32F or lower. well guess what... A/C systems are designed to shut down when the evap coil could FREEZE over. was that a frustrating time (for everyone involved)... hells yes. they got it fixed though and the car's been great ever since.
sometimes... shit happens.
How true! Geez Bob you sound like Confucius :icon_lol:
Ain't that the truth. That's the reason I don't plan on spending any money on any GM product for the foreseeable future (long story).
All too often in my case. :shrug:
profdlp
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Bob comes from that area,
where men are men
and sheep are nervous, verrrry nervous :icon_lol::icon_lol:
profdlp
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That was baaaaad.
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