What did you do to your jeep today?

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profdlp

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I foolishly decided to drive to the gym again yesterday. The reason I took a chance was that every time this has happened before it would run great for a long time, usually about 8-12 months. I got to the gym fine and just like Monday it would not start when I went to leave. Once again I got a ride home. It is still sitting there, since I have no idea what I should do next. Tow it in and have the starter replaced and hope I get lucky? The thing is, I am beginning to suspect it has something to do with the immobilizer or maybe the alarm system I had installed after it was broken into and had $2,000 worth of damage done to it. It got a new ignition and new computer crap which has always been slightly flaky.

If I knew what the problem was I would have done it long ago. The only thing that makes me feel better is that no one who has looked at it has any idea either. I could see this easily turning into a very expensive series of "fixes" that were not the actual problem until they stumble across the right one.
 

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I would definitely be looking at the alarm system.
Tell us more about this no start.
What dash lights.
What sounds do you hear.
Does the alarm have remote start capabilities? If so does that work/not work?
What happens if you disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes?
How long are you in the gym for? AKA, how long is the jeep sitting?
 

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I would definitely be looking at the alarm system.
Tell us more about this no start.
What dash lights.
All of the normal ones that briefly come on when you engage the starter.
What sounds do you hear.
Generally, nothing at all. Once or twice (out of dozens of tries) it's like I get the teeniest beginnings of a crank. This lasts about 1/10 of a second.
Does the alarm have remote start capabilities? If so does that work/not work?
No, never did.
What happens if you disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes?
I have not tried that.
How long are you in the gym for? AKA, how long is the jeep sitting?
Approximately 90 minutes.

I had it towed back in again today and had the guy come out and see it "not start". In the past, if it sat long enough it would just work. Both days this week that I got stranded I went back the next morning expecting it to work and it didn't, which is why it ended up sitting in the parking lot overnight.
 

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Maybe the Jeep just wants you to stay at the gym longer :)
Jokes aside.

I googled the Viper alarm real quick, which you have probably also done.
Have you tried to reset the alarm?

The alarm may need to be put back into 'Valet' mode, or the system will need a full reset.
 

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Further AI info
The most critical reason for a no-crank condition with a Viper 3606V is the activation of the Failsafe Starter Kill feature, which is designed to prevent car theft by physically breaking the connection to your vehicle's starter motor.
If your car will not crank at all, follow these targeted troubleshooting steps to bypass or fix the issue. [1]

1. Bypass Using Valet Mode [1]
Valet Mode temporarily disables the security functions of the alarm, allowing the vehicle to start normally if the immobilizer is stuck in an active state.
  • Turn the ignition key to the ON position.
  • Press and release the Valet button once within 10 seconds.
  • Check the LED light: The status LED should light up solid, indicating the system is now in Valet Mode.
  • Attempt to start the engine. If it cranks, your alarm system was actively locking out the starter. [1, 2]

2. Disconnect the Battery to Reset the Brain
Sometimes, the internal microprocessors in the Viper control module freeze, keeping the starter relay permanently open.
  • Loosen the negative (-) battery terminal on your car battery.
  • Remove the cable completely and leave it disconnected for 5 to 10 minutes.
  • Reattach the terminal and tighten it securely.
  • Unlock the car using your Viper remote before attempting to crank, as resetting power will often trigger the alarm immediately. [1, 2]

3. Check the Viper Fuses
The Viper 3606V brain uses external inline fuses. If the fuse powering the onboard starter relay blows, the relay cannot close to let current pass to your starter.
  • Look under the driver's side dashboard where the main Viper control module is tucked away.
  • Locate the wiring harness extending from the module.
  • Inspect the inline plastic fuse holders (usually containing a 30A or 20A fuse).
  • Replace any blown fuses with the exact same amperage rating.

4. Locate and Inspect the Starter Kill Relay [1]
If you are comfortable looking at the wiring, the installer likely cut your factory starter wire and routed it through the Viper's internal or external relay.
  • Inspect the thick bundle of wires coming out of the Viper brain.
  • Check the heavy-gauge wires (typically green and violet on standard Viper harnesses) which handle the starter circuit.
  • Look for loose connections, crimps, or electrical tape that may have unraveled. If these wires are disconnected or have a poor connection, your starter receives zero power. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

5. Check Your Vehicle's Neutral Safety Switch [1]
To rule out a vehicle issue rather than a Viper alarm issue, ensure your car knows it is safe to crank.
  • Verify the shifter is completely slammed into Park (P) or Neutral (N).
  • Try moving the shifter back and forth between Park and Neutral while holding the key in the crank position. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Hope this helps
 
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