**WARNING** ESP and alignments

[tjkj2002]

Got some useful info today from our Hunter guy about ESP and alignments.

This applies to all ESP equipt vehicles and not just Jeeps.If you have a alignment and toe adjustments are required and you have ESP the steering angle sensor must be adjusted or unusual ESP operation can result,not always but sometimes you can get unwanted operation.Come Jan 1st 2012 every vehicle sold in the US must have ESP as standard equipment,and all Jeeps have it standard as of 2006.There has been some reports of unwanted operation of ESP that has caused some issues and lawyers are going to start having a field day with alot of new lawsuits from this.As of this month every Firestone(nation wide) will have the ability to reset most steering angle sensors,not all but most and the ones that can not be done must be reset at a dealership as they require there specific scanners.Some vehicles will require the battery to be disconnected for the reset and a "battery saver" can not be used to save stuff like radio memory or the reset will not work so if your vehicle has a "anti-theft" radio that requires a code to unlock make sure you have that code ready as we will not be responable for the added cost from a trip to the dealership to unlock the radio as we must reset the steering angle sensor if we are able to do so.We also may deny doing a alignment if we can not reset the steering angle sensor,even if you have already purchased a lifetime alignment package(you should be refunded the cost).


Today my shop got the update and the reset tool,in april/may another update comes out and hopefully we will be able to reset all makes/models but we will not know until that update comes out and Hunter installs it.Not trying to sell anything Firestone but from the Hunter rep Firestone is aggressively taking this issue serouisly and besides dealerships will have 100% pro-activity to making your vehicle as safe as it can be.So basically some other alignmnet places will not have the ability to reset any steering angle sensors or do not care.

 

[paullgj]

How would ESp and alignment be affected by a lift?

OK, have a 2007 KJ which very definitely has ESP. I'm planning an OEM lift, but am researching all possible complications. Would a lift further complicate the ESP and alignment issue?

Thanks for the heads up and ny comments you can add.

Gene Paull,
Brownsville, TX

 

[tjkj2002]

OK, have a 2007 KJ which very definitely has ESP. I'm planning an OEM lift, but am researching all possible complications. Would a lift further complicate the ESP and alignment issue?

Thanks for the heads up and ny comments you can add.

Gene Paull,
Brownsville, TX

As long as the shop doing the alignment resets the steering angle you will not have any issues.It has been rare any issues have come about from not resetting the steering angle sensor but there is a chance you could have issues.

 

[J-Thompson]

It should be noted that this applies to IFS
the SFA vehicles ,JK's, can be done very easily
turn the joint until the steering wheel is strait

and as far as I know or have heard around my limited circle
the issues mostly stems from the wheel not being put strait on all rigs
SFA or not
it has to do with the wheel being turned beyond a point but the front wheels going the same speed ,unless this is another issue entirely

 

[J-Thompson]

OK, have a 2007 KJ which very definitely has ESP. I'm planning an OEM lift, but am researching all possible complications. Would a lift further complicate the ESP and alignment issue?

Thanks for the heads up and ny comments you can add.

Gene Paull,
Brownsville, TX

I have never heard or an OEM lift
I know of the OME lift

 

[Midgear]

yay for no ABS, TCS, ECS, SCS, HCS, YCS, ISORFMCS, WRFMOCS, RQCS, ERIGOCS (sarcasm)

less of a pain in the ass.

how would you go about entirely -removing- a system like that?

 

[Porkchop]

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Thanks for the FYI TJKJ
Havent heard of this one yet

 

[Marlon_JB2]

how would you go about entirely -removing- a system like that?

Pull the ABS fuse. Only negative is that your instrument cluster turns into a christmas tree.

 

[Atrus]

Pull the ABS fuse. Only negative is that your instrument cluster turns into a christmas tree.

And you have no cruise control. And it shifts kinda funny sometimes.

 

[tjkj2002]

It should be noted that this applies to IFS
the SFA vehicles ,JK's, can be done very easily
turn the joint until the steering wheel is strait

and as far as I know or have heard around my limited circle
the issues mostly stems from the wheel not being put strait on all rigs
SFA or not
it has to do with the wheel being turned beyond a point but the front wheels going the same speed ,unless this is another issue entirely

Same applies to SFA vehicles like the JK that have ESP.

 

[HoosierJeeper]

My KJ doesn't have any of it....

 

[Atrus]

Eh, so far I like my ESP/ABS. So far I think the KJ has one of the nicest and most useful systems I've experienced.

Can I live without it? Most certainly. Do I like having it? Most certainly.

 

[Dave]

Huh? '05 limited...no ABS?

ESP is the devel....

Yeah, ABS was an option in 05 here in the US Tony. Mine has that but none of the other stuff. I think they started making the ABS, ESP, etc standard in the 06 models here.

Dave

 

[Atrus]

I think they started making the ABS, ESP, etc standard in the 06 models here.

Yup, '06 ABS became standard. 2007 started the "drive by wire" stuff, so I have a feeling there's some difference between 2006 ABS/TCS/BAS and the 2007+ systems.

 

[Dave]

Yup, '06 ABS became standard. 2007 started the "drive by wire" stuff, so I have a feeling there's some difference between 2006 ABS/TCS/BAS and the 2007+ systems.

Except for the ABS, I slipped in just "under the wire" with my 05 Kevin.

Dave

 

[HoosierJeeper]

Huh? '05 limited...no ABS?

ESP is the devel....

Nope....

 

[mag03kj]

I aint got ABS OR ESP!