Jeep vs. deer...+1 for the deer

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A huge six point buck ran in front of my wife while on her way to work. Dead deer and dead Libby. 8k in damage, and they didn't total it.



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The upper radiator's spot welds didn't hold up well, and the air bags didn't pop.
 

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Is everybody alright?? I hope so...

That looks like it'll buff right out. A great opportunity to get an ARB bumper, since it'll probably cost as much as installing a replacement factory bumper.
 

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She's ok, shaken but not stirred. She's 8 months pregnant, so they had to do a sonogram yesterday to be sure everything was okay with the baby. What is this bumper that you speak of? the stocker is 400 big ones.
 

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He's talking about this.

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Wow, that *****, man. ](*,) Glad she and baby are alright.... and congrats, hehe. \:D/

I survived a 65MPH hit from behind as a fetus as well.. I think I turned out ok. =D>
 

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I just had a factory jeep bumper installed on mine becaue my wife hit the garage and it cost $102 for the bumper, and $120 to install it. 400??? your getting ripped there. Came out to 237 with tax. Good luck getting it fixed though, my dad owns a body shop, so I see that every day. That is an easy fix.
 

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I'm sorry to hear about this... but I'm very glad to hear that your wife and baby are okay.

My wife hit a dear as well last Spring, but it was on the left corner, doing about 53 mph. It did about $1500 in damage and took about three weeks to get fixed. But it was drivable. http://www.jeepkj.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=749

I'm just glad that your wife and my wife were both driving KJ's over a sedan. KJ's seem to hold up well.
 

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It destroyed everything from the grill to the engine block. The wiring harness that runs to the front was cut, the battery had a huge hole in it, the power steering res. was smashed, a/c, condensor, intake box, everything, done. I wonder why the airbags didn't pop though. That really concerns me.
 

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Airbag sensors also work on a deceleration process. Did your wife smash the deer and keep going, then come to a stop? Having a impact followed by a rapid stop is usually the sensor's way of going, okay airbags go off.
They're also probably tuned for a higher setting for off road activity.

But if this is not the case, sue them! I'm what the hell, people sue over smaller stuff.
 

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wow, how fast was she going, at least 60 or 70. Thats amazing it did that much damage, and yea, the air bag sensors work off of how fast you stop, not how hard u hit.
 

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She was probably going around 50 at the time of impact, but the deer was huge. Here's a couple pics about 8 hours after the accident.

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Nice Rack!!! (can I say that?)

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A couple more pics

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That's a big damn deer!!! My mom is some kind of magnet for this kind of thing, she's killed a moose, boar, couple of deers and the such.
Maybe you can convince the insurance to total it and get yourself a new one.
 

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This is from a 2003 KJ Service Manual on the two front airbag impact sensors. It looks they are around the radiator support (left and right). Then there is also the airbag control module (which I also included at the end). Wow! Something else...

FRONT IMPACT SENSOR

Two front impact sensors are used on this model,
one each for the left and right sides of the vehicle
(Fig. 19). These sensors are mounted remotely from
the impact sensor that is internal to the Airbag Control
Module (ACM). Each front sensor is secured with
two screws to the backs of the right and left vertical
members of the radiator support within the engine
compartment. The sensor housing has an integral
connector receptacle and two integral mounting
points each with a metal sleeve to provide crush protection.
The right and left front impact sensors are identical
in construction and calibration with two exceptions.
On models equipped with an optional 2.4L
gasoline engine or an optional 2.5L diesel engine, the
left front impact sensor includes a stamped metal
mounting bracket that rotates the connector receptacle
end of the sensor toward the outboard side of the
vehicle for additional clearance that is required for
those applications.

A cavity in the center of the molded black plastic
impact sensor housing contains the electronic circuitry
of the sensor which includes an electronic communication
chip and an electronic impact sensor.
Potting material fills the cavity to seal and protect
the internal electronic circuitry and components. The
front impact sensors are each connected to the vehicle
electrical system through a dedicated take out
and connector of the headlamp and dash wire harness.
The impact sensors cannot be repaired or adjusted
and, if damaged or faulty, they must be replaced. On
models equipped with an optional 2.4L gasoline
engine or an optional 2.5L diesel engine, the mounting
bracket for the left front impact sensor is serviced
as a unit with that sensor.

OPERATION

The front impact sensors are electronic accelerometers
that sense the rate of vehicle deceleration,
which provides verification of the direction and severity
of an impact. Each sensor also contains an electronic
communication chip that allows the unit to
communicate the sensor status as well as sensor
fault information to the microprocessor in the Airbag
Control Module (ACM). The ACM microprocessor continuously
monitors all of the front passive restraint
system electrical circuits to determine the system
readiness. If the ACM detects a monitored system
fault, it sets a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) and
controls the airbag indicator operation accordingly.
The impact sensors each receive battery current
and ground through dedicated left and right sensor
plus and minus circuits from the ACM. The impact
sensors and the ACM communicate by modulating
the voltage in the sensor plus circuit. The hard wired
circuits between the front impact sensors and the
ACM may be diagnosed and tested using conventional
diagnostic tools and procedures. However, conventional
diagnostic methods will not prove
conclusive in the diagnosis of the ACM or the impact
sensors. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate
means to diagnose the impact sensors, the ACM, and
the electronic message communication between the
sensors and the ACM requires the use of a DRBIIIt
scan tool.

AIRBAG CONTROL MODULE

OPERATION

The microprocessor in the Airbag Control Module
(ACM) contains the front supplemental restraint system
logic circuits and controls all of the front supplemental
restraint system components. The ACM uses
On-Board Diagnostics (OBD) and can communicate
with other electronic modules in the vehicle as well
as with the DRBIIIt scan tool using the Programmable
Communications Interface (PCI) data bus network.
This method of communication is used for
control of the airbag indicator in the ElectroMechanical
Instrument Cluster (EMIC) and for supplemental
restraint system diagnosis and testing through the
16-way data link connector located on the driver side
lower edge of the instrument panel. (Refer to 8 -
ELECTRICAL/INSTRUMENT CLUSTER/AIRBAG
INDICATOR - OPERATION).

The ACM microprocessor continuously monitors all
of the front supplemental restraint system electrical
circuits to determine the system readiness. If the
ACM detects a monitored system fault, it sets an
active and stored Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) and
sends electronic messages to the EMIC over the PCI
data bus to turn on the airbag indicator. An active
fault only remains for the duration of the fault, or in
some cases, the duration of the current ignition
switch cycle, while a stored fault causes a DTC to be
stored in memory by the ACM. For some DTCs, if a
fault does not recur for a number of ignition cycles,
the ACM will automatically erase the stored DTC.
For other internal faults, the stored DTC is latched
forever.

The ACM also monitors a Hall effect-type seat belt
switch located in the buckle of the driver side front
seat belt to determine whether that seat belt is buckled,
and provides an input to the EMIC over the PCI
data bus to control the seatbelt indicator operation
based upon the status of the driver side front seat
belt switch. On models equipped with optional side
curtain airbags, the ACM communicates with both
the left and right Side Impact Airbag Control Modules
(SIACM) over the PCI data bus. The SIACM
notifies the ACM when it has detected a monitored
system fault and stored a DTC in memory for its
respective side curtain airbag system, and the ACM
sets a DTC and controls the airbag indicator operation
accordingly.

The ACM receives battery current through two circuits;
a fused ignition switch output (run) circuit
through a fuse in the Junction Block (JB), and a
fused ignition switch output (run-start) circuit
through a second fuse in the JB. The ACM has a case
ground through a lug on the bottom of the ACM
housing that is secured with a ground screw to the
left side of the ACM mounting bracket. The ACM
also receives a power ground through a ground circuit
and take out of the instrument panel wire harness.
This take out has a single eyelet terminal
connector that is secured by a second ground screw
to the left side of the ACM mounting bracket. These
connections allow the ACM to be operational whenever
the ignition switch is in the Start or On positions.
The ACM also contains an energy-storage capacitor.
When the ignition switch is in the Start or On
positions, this capacitor is continually being charged
with enough electrical energy to deploy the front supplemental
restraint components for up to one second
following a battery disconnect or failure. The purpose
of the capacitor is to provide backup supplemental
restraint system protection in case there is a loss of
battery current supply to the ACM during an impact.
Two sensors are contained within the ACM, an
electronic impact sensor and a safing sensor. The
ACM also monitors inputs from two remote front
impact sensors located on the back of the right and
left vertical members of the radiator support near
the front of the vehicle. The electronic impact sensors
are accelerometers that sense the rate of vehicle
deceleration, which provides verification of the direction
and severity of an impact.

The safing sensor is an electromechanical sensor
within the ACM that provides an additional logic
input to the ACM microprocessor. The safing sensor
is used to verify the need for a front supplemental
restraint deployment by detecting impact energy of a
lesser magnitude than that of the electronic impact
sensors, and must be closed in order for the front airbags
or the seat belt tensioner to deploy.

A pre-programmed decision algorithm in the ACM
microprocessor determines when the deceleration
rate as signaled by the impact sensors and the safing
sensor indicate an impact that is severe enough to
require front supplemental restraint system protection
and, based upon the status of the driver side
front seat belt switch input and the severity of the
monitored impact, determines what combination of
driver seat belt tensioner and front airbag deployment
is required for each front seating position.

When the programmed conditions are met, the ACM
sends the proper electrical signals to deploy the
driver seat belt tensioner and the dual multistage
front airbags at the programmed force levels.
The hard wired inputs and outputs for the ACM
may be diagnosed and tested using conventional
diagnostic tools and procedures. However, conventional
diagnostic methods will not prove conclusive in
the diagnosis of the ACM, the PCI data bus network,
or the electronic message inputs to and outputs from
the ACM. The most reliable, efficient, and accurate
means to diagnose the ACM, the PCI data bus network,
and the electronic message inputs to and outputs
from the ACM requires the use of a DRBIIIt
scan tool. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information.
 

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holy crap! Glad she and the baby are OK, thats the most important thing of all!

Cracked engine block, are you sure its really worth re-building? How's the frame look? ****** ok? At 8 grand, i'd be looking at writing it off and buying a new one.
 

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Trodo said:
That's a big damn deer!!! My mom is some kind of magnet for this kind of thing, she's killed a moose, boar, couple of deers and the such.
Maybe you can convince the insurance to total it and get yourself a new one.

Wow, what does your mom drive?!
 

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In this case, it's probably a good thing the airbag sensors didn't allow them to deploy. If you say your wife is fine... then the airbags could have possibly made her not-fine.

I've always heard this from several people. "If the airbags didn't blow, you probably didn't need them."
 

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I'm not sure if it cracked the engine block, but it's getting all new pullies and everything else forward. The airbag system seems pretty intellgent by what was posted above. Maybe it sensed the extra girth behind the steering wheel. O:) I'm sure they checked the tansmission though. Is there a trans. cooler or an oil cooler in front? It was due for all the fluids to be changed anyway.
 
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