LibertyOrDeath
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Ry' N Jen
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Wasn't it Ford who originally intended his cars to run off of Alcohol?
But was "Shut down" for lack of better terms due to the Prohibition in the USA and he ended up using gasoline.
"I read that from an article written by Jay Leno"
But was "Shut down" for lack of better terms due to the Prohibition in the USA and he ended up using gasoline.
"I read that from an article written by Jay Leno"
Yea socks/aka Ryan........and Standard Oil might have had something to do with it back then also.
Dave
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Well, I passed it on... Since you're damaged a little too now, fill one out...
Ford was first to build a vehicle that ran on pure Ethanol, to the other guy. My first post indicated the one that did, 1826; where Samuel Morey developed an engine that ran on ethanol and turpentine, then in 1896 Henry Ford built his first automobile, the quadricycle, to run on pure ethanol. Cars came later...
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Ry' N Jen
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I wonder what would of happened if Ford would of had his way!
Top fuel Dragsters probably youldn't be Methanol powered... But Gasoline monsters!
Just a thought!
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I filled one out right after I posted.
FWIW I have no problem with you disagreeing with the TJKJ02, free speech is the American way after all. It was just the way you were doing it. Just seemed a bit abrasive and rude, not how JeepKJ rolls.
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Jee, I thought I was the only one who got ragged on here!
Just kidding!
Just kidding!
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Just to clarify Top Fuel Dragster use a 85/15 mix of Nitro Methane/methanol mix for fuel.12 gallons used for one 1/4 mile run.
Powerslave
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I filled one out right after I posted.
Yeah, doesn't bother me anyway, after all, it is ONLY the internet... People take it way to seriously...
For the other Eisenstein (there seem to be a few now): The O2 sensor works like a miniature generator and produces its own voltage when it gets hot. Inside the vented cover on the end of the sensor that screws into the exhaust manifold is a zirconium ceramic bulb. The bulb is coated on the outside with a porous layer of platinum. Inside the bulb are two strips of platinum that serve as electrodes or contacts. Like I said, there is ALWAYS power, AT, the O2 sensor, just when hot, sorry for using TO the senor instead of AT...
The outside of the bulb is exposed to the hot gases in the exhaust while the inside of the bulb is vented internally through the sensor body to the outside atmosphere. Older style oxygen sensors actually have a small hole in the body shell so air can enter the sensor, but newer style O2 sensors "breathe" through their wire connectors and have no vent hole. It is hard to believe, but the tiny amount of space between the insulation and wire provides enough room for air to seep into the sensor (for this reason, grease should never be used on O2 sensor connectors because it can block the flow of air). Venting the sensor through the wires rather than with a hole in the body reduces the risk of dirt or water contamination that could foul the sensor from the inside and cause it to fail.
The difference in oxygen levels between the exhaust and outside air within the sensor causes voltage to flow through the ceramic bulb. The greater the difference, the higher the voltage reading. Ethanol contains more oxygen, so it burns cleaner, but I stated in an earlier post what the emissions are.
An oxygen sensor will typically generate up to about 0.9 volts when the fuel mixture is rich and there is little unburned oxygen in the exhaust. When the mixture is lean, the sensor output voltage will drop down to about 0.2 volts or less. When the air/fuel mixture is balanced or at the equilibrium point of about 14.7 to 1, the sensor will read around .45 volts.
So there is the complete lesson on O2 sensors, so I will remember to say tehre is power AT the O2 sensor, always when hot, and not TO the sensor... Are we having fun yet?
kjpilot
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From a historical perspective, there was no gasoline in 1826. There was however PLENTY of whiskey, which everyone knew was flammable. So the idea of using alcohol to power an engine in 1826 was not ahead of it's time, but rather using what they had readily available.
It wasn't until the 1850s that scientists working for JD Rockefeller discovered that crude could be refined to a clean burning fuel called Kerosene. Gasoline was a byproduct of the kerosene production & had no value at the time. Gasoline was too volatile for any contemporary use at the time, so it was destroyed.
When automobiles came around, there was little reason to run them on ethanol. The US was the Saudi Arabia of the early 20th century. Gasoline was already being produced, & the oil companies were happy for a new market, especially after the invention of the light bulb. Ethanol burning cars were made, but they were not as marketable as a gasoline powered car. Gas was too readily available & too cheap to make ethanol an economically viable fuel.
The same can be said today. The only reason ethanol is competitive with gasoline is because of government subsidies & mandates.
It wasn't until the 1850s that scientists working for JD Rockefeller discovered that crude could be refined to a clean burning fuel called Kerosene. Gasoline was a byproduct of the kerosene production & had no value at the time. Gasoline was too volatile for any contemporary use at the time, so it was destroyed.
When automobiles came around, there was little reason to run them on ethanol. The US was the Saudi Arabia of the early 20th century. Gasoline was already being produced, & the oil companies were happy for a new market, especially after the invention of the light bulb. Ethanol burning cars were made, but they were not as marketable as a gasoline powered car. Gas was too readily available & too cheap to make ethanol an economically viable fuel.
The same can be said today. The only reason ethanol is competitive with gasoline is because of government subsidies & mandates.
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Figure out a way to "burn" salt water as fuel, and then I'll join the discussion.
E85 is the biggest flop/tangent in years on the road to energy independence.
E85 is the biggest flop/tangent in years on the road to energy independence.
twack
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that depends on who you are talking to. like i said in the turbo and super charger world of boost, e85 is an awesome alternative. race gas is really high in octane just like e85, except race gas is twice as expensive. i dont think e85 is awesome for public use, but it has its place and i would hate to see it go. i always have e85 around so i was checking on its viability in a liberty with the libertys ecu.
kjpilot
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Well, considering E85 is cheap because when I pay my taxes some of my money goes to ethanol producers to help pay much of the cost of production... I have no interest in paying for your "inexpensive" racing fuel, so I hope it goes away fast!
Marlon for the win.
I filled one out right after I posted.
Pff, you should see ExpeditionPortal.com
You want uptight? People are so uptight there they squeak when they walk. They actually banned the word "Kalifornia" from the site, and it started such a heated conversation (mainly because the only people who used Kalifornia were from...California and didn't see what all the fuss was about) that they had to shut the thread down.
I think that was Atrus' point. For instance, they run acohol in race cars. But that doesn't do anything for us in the discussion relating to the chermic "energy independence".
sometimes i put my wiener in the tailpipe and it runs better. not the jeep, my wiener. doesnt seems to help the jeep at all. sometimes i do this at stop lights to help the engine idle at a lower rpm to save fuel. i cant drive my jeep without my wiener.
kjpilot
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Dude! Your wiener runs??? You better have that looked at!
LibertyOrDeath
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I hope corn based ethanol goes away and they use a wood or grass based ethanol. Then I might approve.
Oh and I am getting sick of people being negative, ******, cranky, rude etc. It's getting old, whatever happened to the whole "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't speak" Oh yeah, the internet happened. You can say whatever you want without fear of an ass-whooping. Oh wells.
FYI the Model T ran on ethanol.
Oh and I am getting sick of people being negative, ******, cranky, rude etc. It's getting old, whatever happened to the whole "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't speak" Oh yeah, the internet happened. You can say whatever you want without fear of an ass-whooping. Oh wells.
FYI the Model T ran on ethanol.
Ry' N Jen
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That it did!
And Kerosene from what I have read has been around longer than 1850.
It may not have been the Kerosene of 1850's, but non the less a refined lamp oil that dates back to the year 850!
Oh, for the record?
Infact it was a Canadian geologist Abraham Gesner in 1846 who made it from coal! He registered it as a trademark in 1854 and for several years only the North American Gas Light Company and the Downer Company were allowed to call their lamp oil kerosene for several years.
