Considering buying a Libby, has noise when turning (video provided)

[Jeepers Kreepers]

Hi, I have been lurking now for a few months. My sister has an 06 Libby Limited with 71,*** miles on her. She is the orginal owner. She decided she needed something bigger and is picking up a 2016 Explorer either today or Monday. I decided to buy the Libby off her for the price the dealer would give her in a trade in, which was $5,000.

She just told me yesterday that she noticed that it is making a noise when she turns left. I picked it up from her today and test drove it there is a noise that occurs when turning left. It's coming from the right side and sounds almost like a rubbing tinny sound. Hard to describe so I am uploading a video to YouTube. The sound also comes and goes when driving. I jacked it up and climbed underneath and used silicone spray on the swaybar bushings and all the other bushings. It didn't seem to help at all. I checked the brake shield and its not rubbing or even close. My thought is it might be the wheel bearing. If it is, how hard are they to replace? I researched a little last night and saw to go with Timkin (I think that was the name).

I also noticed this hose coming off the radiator looks like its coated in oil, is that normal?

The handling feels sloppy, but was planning on putting the OME lift on it to firm it up. The Jeep is going to be used as my winter car, so down time right now for repairs isn't huge. I don't have much auto repair experience but since it's not my daily driver, I am willing to attempt the work. Please advise if it's something really serious/expensive?

Video: https://youtu.be/aMUnhgN0rU4

Picture of the oil area

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Thank you in advanced!

Mike

Thanks

 

[uss2defiant]

the wheel hub is pretty straight forward to replace.
Did you inspect it while it was jacked?
Sounds like a stuck brake caliper. idk.

It looks like the picture was shot from the bottom up.
EDIT:I believe that line is the return line of the power steering from the rack to the cooler.
Those two lines in your picture are connected through solid u shaped line.

If I'm correct, it's not suppose to be dangling like that either.

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

Thanks USS.

I did take the pick from the ground shooting up. I wonder if the power steering is leaking and maybe that's causing the noise? I inspected the brakes and they look fine, other then needing to be replaced really soon.

If the power steering is leaking, is it fairly straightforward to replace?

 

[uss2defiant]

Hey, I just noticed my mistake. See my edited post.

eventually the P/s lines will start to weep.
Changing the lines is fairly straight forward.

However, it could be leaking from the pressure sensor or the reservoir or a hole some where. Many leak sources.

The sounds in your vid doesn't sound like a whine, more like metal on metal so i doubt it's your P/s.

Also, fyi, aftermarket kits for the line from the rack to the cooler don't come with u-shaped metal line any more.

Here's what to expect.

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The hose labeled 7 is what is in your picture.

The trickiest hose to change is the high pressure line, labeled #2 that goes behind the DS headlight.

*make sure to use a crowfoot wrench

 

[Brisbanejeeper]

Had the same problem with mine check.to see of your rack and pinion boots are full of fluid . If so could be the inner seals

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

Thanks again! I am going to take another look at it tomorrow night or Saturday morning. I will report back on the power steering fluid levels. Let me know if there is something else I should check out while I am at it.

Mike

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

Had the same problem with mine check.to see of your rack and pinion boots are full of fluid . If so could be the inner seals

Will do. I just take a small needle and pierce them, correct?

 

[turblediesel]

Replace inner seals?

Guessing the boots just keep the gritty world away from the seals.

Piercing them would be like treating the symptom rather than fixing the problem.

Have to go look at mine.

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

I checked the Ps fluid and it's dirty, but full. The cap had the same black, oily, dirtiness to it. I just think its from a lack of TLC of the engine bay.

I rode in the back with my head out the window and the noise is definitely coming from the front passenger side. It does sound like the brakes are sticking or the dust shield is making contact.

I plan on taking the Libby over on Monday and will start by replacing the brakes when I have some time, which have to be done anyways. If that doesn't work is the wheel bearing next? Also, I can't seem to find the front bearings. Do you replace the whole hub?

Thanks again!

 

[LibertyTC]

Yes get brake work done. Get that old PS fluid suctioned out, use ATF+4. Refresh it a few times after some miles, repeat till it is clean.
You may feel some play in hub if it is bad.
With front r tire off ground grab a hold & in 9 o'clock & 3 position try to move tire back & forth see if there is any play. Now try 12 & 3....
Video on bearing hub I found... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdr5TtvVzKs

 

[uss2defiant]

I checked the Ps fluid and it's dirty, but full. The cap had the same black, oily, dirtiness to it. I just think its from a lack of TLC of the engine bay.

I rode in the back with my head out the window and the noise is definitely coming from the front passenger side. It does sound like the brakes are sticking or the dust shield is making contact.

I plan on taking the Libby over on Monday and will start by replacing the brakes when I have some time, which have to be done anyways. If that doesn't work is the wheel bearing next? Also, I can't seem to find the front bearings. Do you replace the whole hub?

Thanks again!

1. the libby uses ATF+4 as it's fluid. siphon some out to get a better sense of the fluid condition. You might want to just flush it with the good ol' turkey baster technique. There's also seafoam trans tune to help with the flush.

2. no wheel bearing. Have to replace whole hub. I recommend timken.

use
http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/f202/hub-replacement-46865/
as a guide

 

[CactusJacked]

Sounds like the brake pad wear scrapers to me.

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

Thanks for the help! My last semester this summer is shaping up to be insane. I will post updates when I can.

Again, thank you for all the help!

Mike

 

[Jeepers Kreepers]

UPDATE: So I replaced the brakes yesterday. I used the Centric premium rotors and Wagner TQ pads. It decided to start pouring yesterday, but I tested it today (in between the rain) and happy to report that the sound is GONE!!! I want to say thanks and the online guides made it really easy, at least on the fronts. The rears... well, when I removed the driver side rear rotor, the emergence brake pads just crumbled away. The passenger side rear, the emergence brakes where stuck on. After a few hours of fighting with it and reading online, I found the rubber grommet and the star thing inside it. Man, that star was so hard to see! But I was able to release the emergency brake on that side and complete the change. So right now I have no ebrakes. I plan on replacing and fixing them later on. With my last semester in school, it's crazy right now. I saw a walkthrough on replacing them, but I think I read that the 2006 - 2007 are different. Any pointers? Do I replace the entire cable or just the ebrake parts at the hubs?

Also, I did my first oil change today! Used Castol Edge (black bottle) and a Wix filter (O'Reillys had a sale on it). The oil change was incredibly easy, minus that filter being on super tight and having a tough time removing it.

I picked up some NGK V-power plugs and plan on doing those soon too as the Libby is idling a little rough and I am not sure when my sister last replaced them. Saw the tutorial and it seems easy enough (famous last words).

Just wanted to provide an update and say thanks for the help!!!
Mike

 

[HoosierJeeper]

Just replace the parking brake hardware (springs etc) and new shoes. Adjust so there's drag and then back off a few clicks. Then put it back together and slowly pull the ebrake up while moving in reverse to self adjust it.

 

[JasonJ]

^ ... assuming the cable is not seized. Would hope not.

Otherwise, unless you frequently park on inclines, don't sweat it. It's a PARKING brake.. so hopefully you would never need to use it as an emergency brake. At that point you're already pretty screwed.