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No one is arguing you shouldn't use bump stops. I'm arguing you don't need extended length bump stops with this particular setup. If I installed 2" of hockey pucks per the recommendation of this thread, I'd have <1.5" of travel before they're engaged

I'm trying to figure out why everyone seems to have this opinion when no one can defend it

So the assumption is you'll take a "lifted" truck off-road but not a stock one? Otherwise, wouldn't stock be more prone to damage? I put "lifted" in quotes because, for this kit at least, it doesn't seem like the shocks/springs are much different in length (see my post above). The lift occurs...

Can you explain?

Right. So why does he think stiffer springs warrant longer bump stops if they're less likely to fully compress than stock?

Agreed. So you think a higher spring rate increases the likelihood of fully compressing the shock?

FWIW, the components don't appear to be 2" longer than stock, and those springs are sagged (100k miles)

Man, that’s a great deal. I recently installed the exact same kit on my 03 liberty and left everything else stock. I called Ironman to confirm I don’t need extended bump stops and they said “if it’s not included in the kit you don’t need it.” So far, they were right.

I assume you‘re mentioning backspacing/offset due to the potential for tire stuffing, but that shouldn’t be an issue since I run the stock aluminum wheels with 235/70 tires. Do you think upgrading to 245/70 would change the calculus here? Of the jeeps you own, I’m most interested in your...

So you disagree with my reasoning? How much space do you have between your plate/bump stop?

Car is unloaded but on the ground

Hmm, according to this KYB shock's specs, the KJ's stock ****** length is 7.88". While I can't find the exact ****** length for the Ironman 12712GR, I assume it's probably similar. Ironman's documentation states "bump stops must intervene by at least half their thickness before the shock...

Good, me neither

@Bigfootyetti Out of curiosity, did you install any hockey pucks in the rear? Ironman told me the stock jounce bumps should be fine.

I never bought springs before, and mine arrived from Ironman4x4 slightly damaged. Should I push for replacements, or will they be getting damaged soon enough anyways? Thanks!

I think he's saying part availability could be better as he couldn't source a fuel pump

I have 105k miles on my ’03 KJ and I’m replacing my suspension with Ironman springs/shocks. Should I reuse the existing strut mounts or buy new? If the latter, which brand(s) do you recommend? It looks like I can get Gabriel mounts for $20/ea, Moog for $75/ea, and Mopar for $107/ea. Thanks!

How do you like those AC Delco springs? Did you only replace the rears or the fronts as well?

Hmm, according to the 1st response on this post, 926/947 yielded a 1” rake. I assume 925 would be worse. I’d prefer to be level.

Hey ozone000, thanks for posting your experience. I can only imagine your frustration when the results were suboptimal. I'm now in the position you were in 5 years ago. If you could do it all over, what would you purchase? Prior to this thread, I was leaning towards Moog springs/Bilstein 4600s...