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Wanna say thanks to everyone for their input. I am of the same mindset as Bob though--I'm in a rust belt/salt belt state as well and I didn't see any rust that really looked killer to me. Most cars around here have just as much, if not more, on the undercarriage. Anyways, I really like this...

Hmm, are you guys saying too much rust based on the picture of the rusted panel or on something you're seeing in the other pics as well? Mechanic made it sound like it wasn't really too bad from what he saw...

Ok, here are some pics the mechanic took for me. 6th showing replaced oil pan 7th/8th showing damaged bushing that will need replaced. 9th showing leaking valve cover i think

Ok, here are some pics the mechanic took for me. First is leaking axle seal. 2nd is tranny cooler lines leaking i believe. 3rd shows rotor rust. 4th rocker panel rust 5th Leaking power steering pump i think.

Some of you may recall a few weeks back when I posted a thread inquiring about an 04 Liberty renegade. Initially, the dealership was asking $7,300. They have since dropped their price twice and are now down to $5,899. So i took it for a test drive and enjoyed it quite a bit! So i had my mechanic...

Love the bumper/skidplates, anyone know the makers?

Another update for you guys. The dealership that the 04 Renegade was at has lowered their price to $6,600. I have been crazy busy this week and still haven't had a chance to meet with them or test drive it. So potentially i could talk them down even lower still!

So I found a different KJ I'm gonna check out. It's about an hour away and it's a 2004 Sport, not renegade. They're asking $7k and it looks in a lot better shape. And, it only has 58k miles!!

That's not too bad, but i'm about 6 hours south of Chicago. Haha.

Yeah that's the thing...most in the area in similar condition/mileage/years etc are the same price or more expensive. I found one cheaper within 50 miles but that's pretty much it. The market is just pretty inflated up here. But I've always heard that yeah around 25% is markup and that usually...

Any advice for talking down the dealership? Tips/techniques that have worked for you guys?

How's the leg room, horizontally? I've heard the foot wells are kinda cramped. Looks like the center console area kinda protrudes.

Cool, yeah...I figured dealer is probably going to pay/trade in value around $4.5-5.5k and I would expect a hundred dollars off or so each for fenders, dent, seat tear, paint, as well as carfax showing 2 accidents reported. I have also always heard that some salesmen are more likely to take...

It's a little pricey, to be sure. But the 4x4 market up here is inflated. I guess having a 4x2 wouldn't be a dealbreaker, but honestly they aren't much cheaper and we get a lot of snow so i'd like the option of having 4wd. So...I dunno. Really, it's going for the same or cheaper than a lot of...

Did a quick search on Craigslist, Autotrader, and Cars.com. Cheapest I found was an '03 Sport with 132,xxx. Automatic, 4x4, V6. Asking $4k. It's not a bad looking jeep, although the interior is much rougher than the Renegade. And it's approx. 50 miles away--which isn't a dealbreaker, but I was...

Thanks for the input, all. I like the GC i found, but i feel like it's pretty overpriced too--asking $7.7k with 125,xxx. But it seems like the Jeep/4x4 SUV market in my area is pretty inflated in general. It also has the "High Output" V8, and from what I've read that engine gets like 13mpg city...

Hmm, ok, well I have not been able to get a test drive yet so i will have to give that a whirl soon and see how it feels. Any thoughts as to pricing? I also have been considering an 04 Grand Cherokee 'Columbia Edition' which looks pretty sharp.

Hey all, first post here. A local dealer around here has a 2004 Liberty Renegade for sale that's caught my eye. One of my first concerns that i've had is that I've heard some folks say that the front seats aren't very spacious. I'm no small fellow--around 6'4 and have a 40" waist. Do you guys...