My kids and brother-inlaws kids decided we needed to find some mud. Mine is the KJ Renegade, and his is a 70th anniversary Wrangler (city street princess) I led the way and after 3 hours, found sloppy hole to get stuck in. Wrangler couldn't pull me out (thank god)(never would herd the end of it). Above... Life line attached, no success Home at last... After and a pull with my tractor (and special thx to my 9 year old son, steering and running throttle in KJ) Swore I wasn't go an put a lift in it. Lol well that has sure changed!!!!!