First post suspension related .... and a question.

Discussion in 'Lift Kit Discussion' started by **OZ**, Mar 2, 2021.

  1. **OZ**

    **OZ** New Member

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    An introduction: 2002 “Pre-lowered” manual transmission Liberty sport 4x4 sagged down to 17.5” front 18.5” rear. All stock zero modifications.

    So after many hours of reading I settled on a configuration that will hopefully work for me. I know everyone here swears by OME products but the cost was substantially more in Canada.

    -Front And Rear H&R adventure springs 1.5” Lift
    -Front Bilstein
    -Rear KYB Gas-A-adjust (Dodge Dakota length)
    -Hockey Puck rear bump stops (x2 per)
    -Still looking for more info on front bump-stops (available locally)

    -I will be “tweaking” the height with, custom rear spacer pucks nestled between two factory upper isolators. Probably 3/4”. This I will machine out of a product called King Starboard.
    The front I will be cutting out a set of aluminum 1/4” over the top spacer plates with my new plasma/cnc table. Anyone willing to share the plate file ?
    I will reserve the Clevis lift to adjust and even to rear.

    Now here is the Question: I found a additional spacer in the factory front suspension. I need verification if this is a factory “Easter Egg” or meant to be there.
    In-between the upper spring isolator and top shock mount is a 1/4” thick steel round plate. This spaces the isolator away from the upper mount. Was this where “Pre-Lowered” gets the extra 1/2”-3/4” ?

    I cannot find this spacer in any parts diagrams. I am 99% sure this is factory original and never been a part before. Any input ?
     
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    tommudd Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    There is NO factory easter egg
    and with you wanting to machine your own parts, tweaking, etc, staying away from this one
    and the dodge dakota 4x4 club cab may be too long for those springs but then whatever you are doing they may work
    Not a fan of the H&R springs so never mess with them after some bad experiences
    Teraflex front bumpstops for a Jeep Liberty
    The ones built up to April 12, 2002 used taller springs ( 3/4 inch higher ) so no what you found is not where the extra height came from
     
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    Please share your bad experiences. I am open to suggestions. As far as custom machining parts. I have that side of things more than covered. I am trying to source the front bump stops locally. Here are a few pictures of these rings, have you seen them before ?
     

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    I would only use the regular upper isolaters in the rear
    They are wider, would fit better and will not move around
     
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    These rings where found in the FRONT suspension when the factory coil over was taken apart. They where compressed between the upper isolator and the mount. All factory parts. The rear is unrelated to these photos.

    The rear isolator adapter will be machined to fit between two factory rubber isolators. There will only be the flex of the rubber. I am aiming for a total of 2.5 inch lift overall from “factory” height. Unfortunately I have no idea what factory height is ... consensus is 19.0” ? (Currently 17.5” front) I would like to be 21-21.5 when completed on the progressively wound springs.

    At “only” 2.5” over stock height will the longer rear shocks be damaged ? I have added 2” of bump stop in the rear.
     
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    Some one installed them they are NOT stock
    Stock is 19, not a consensus, fact ;)

    Also adding a " spacer " of any kind to the rear over 1/2 inch it will not stay in place
    You can add ( 2 extra ) 1/2 inch isolaters, but not one extra and a 3/4 inch " spacer "
    just not enough room to stay in there
     
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    I have the file for a top plate spacer if you want to pm me your email address
     
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    Thank you for sharing the file.

    Unfortunately this is my busiest time of the year, so slow progress and large family to balance....

    So a quick update:

    Changed most fluids:
    -Motor oil/filter 5w-30 Synthetic and Baldwin filter
    -Front Diff w/Dino
    -Rear Diff w/Dino and modifier. Rear diff is a mess. Full of metallic particles and sludge. Will need a full redo. Cleaned out for now.
    -Transfer case w/ATF+4
    -Manual Transmission w/Royal Purple Synchromax.
    -Cooling system flush w/new Mopar fluid. Will need to address a leaking radiator I discovered after.

    All back together and back on the ground. Still waiting for new tires so have a few questions there.

    Unsettled height / no alignment measured hub to bottom of flair:

    Rear: 22.5”

    H&R springs, 3/4” spacer and a extra upper isolator. Originally started at 1” spacer but milled down to 3/4”. Spring is still fully engaged. This is the absolute maximum I could do. With suspension at full drop, there is still spring tension holding it in the mount. Used a solid rubber material instead of the plastic I started with. Think “large Hockey Puck” with a hole in it. KYB Gas adjust shocks.

    Front: 21.75”

    H&R Springs, 3/8” upper plate w/New studs in upper shock mount. I re-used the mystery spacer ring between the mount and upper isolator. Bilstein shocks. No Clevis lift yet.... but just enough to match rear in reserve. Assuming how much everything settles. Probably more than one alignment.

    Will just see how this all settles before adding front lift. I am assuming approx 100lbs. of cargo in rear before I bring front up on clevis lift. For now on some old snow tires until I sort new rubber.
     
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    Also pounded the pinch welds flat to make sure rubbing will be less of an issue.
     

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    You'll lose about / close to 1/2 inch with first alignment

    love the wheels , wish I could find some like that with 4 inch backspacing 7 inches wide

    Only way to fully know is to first get it aligned, then mount one tire on the wheel and try it on front.
    Turning it, bouncing on it etc on all angles