Lift ideas and general questions

I am thinking about overhauling my Liberty with some new stuff, some are much needed but one was looking to replace my Skyjacker 2.5" lift with something a little more. I have narrowed it down to about 3 choices but not sure which one, so I will go in order I guess.

First, there is the Rocky Road Outfitters Rockfather Deluxe II set. I know a lot of people hate RRO because of their less than spectacular customer service and janky products in the past but the new RD II doesn't look that bad in my eyes.

Jeep Liberty Lift Kit:*2002-07 Jeep Liberty Lift Kit

Next would be the Tommudd's 3.5" Econo lift. I havn't read much information on it, but I know Tommudd knows his stuff like I know my computers and any information he has to give me in his lurkyness would be beneficial o.o

Tommudd's Econo 3.5" Lift Kit


The third option would be along the same lines as Tommudd's Econo lift but going with a full fledge JBA lift. If anything it would be the 4" lift, and if I am going to go that route, I am going to get the Gold or Platinum package.

JBA 4" coilover lift

JBA 4" coilover lift Platinum

So, I am open to all talks, criticism, hating, bashing, loving, cheerio throwing, temper tantrums, and beer offering.

On a side note, it's not that I don't care about the SkyJacker lift, it still rides like the day I had it installed and love every bit of it, but, I want more height.

This will be one of the last things on my list of upgrades though since I already have a lift. I am looking to get lockers, rear is a must, but not sure if I should get the ARB air lock system for the front. Also, need to get my gears switched to 4.10's. I know it's been a long time since I have had the lift without it, but, I also have another vehicle that I drive for longer trips (anything over 10 miles really).

Also, need skid plates so I can, hopefully, one day be blessed with Moab....

JBA adjustable coilovers all the way, throw some 4.10 gearing and you're setbest of everything
RRO would be bottom of the barrel

I knew if I spoke your name, you would come haha. So is that anything from RRO? I havn't seen anywhere else for the ARB front bumper, which is one of the things I wanted because you can put a winch on it and I like how it looks over the factory front end. The 4.10 gearing and the rear locker is the next upgrade by far since it seems like the most reasonable upgrade right now.

Either I am having a full on ****** moment or I need more sleep but I have been reading on another site a comparison on the Frankenlift II vs the TM 3.6 lift and I keep asking myself and staring at my kitten as I make her chase a laser light on if I have a 2.5" Skyjacker, yes yes i know, I should get an extra inch or more lift from the 3.5" lift right? And the reason the 4" lift is more expensive because there are a lot more parts that need to be changed vs the 3.5" econolift?

If it is indeed a full 1 inch height raise, it might be enough to make me feel better on these 265's.

Senistr said:

Either I am having a full on ****** moment or I need more sleep but I have been reading on another site a comparison on the Frankenlift II vs the TM 3.6 lift and I keep asking myself and staring at my kitten as I make her chase a laser light on if I have a 2.5" Skyjacker, yes yes i know, I should get an extra inch or more lift from the 3.5" lift right? And the reason the 4" lift is more expensive because there are a lot more parts that need to be changed vs the 3.5" econolift?

If it is indeed a full 1 inch height raise, it might be enough to make me feel better on these 265's.

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Frankenlift is an ok lift, you would also need JBA UCAs with it since it gives more then 2.5 inches or whatever they advertise
RRO is using ir were OME front springs but try and make you believe that their OTT part on top is the best thing since buttered bread when its not.
If going above 3.5 you're going to have some spring/ucs contact no way around it
JBA coilover best ride, adjustable , rebuildable and no UCA/spring contact

Reviving this thread as it seems this gentleman is interested in doing everything that I would want to. When I get my Liberty that is.

I have done some browsing today. My conclusion is that you want to stay away from RRO because of customer service and their quality of lift components. My question is does that include all theiron other parts as well? Also when it comes to the JBA lifted kits, if I got the CRD Liberty, would I need to re-gear? I see they come with 3.73 from the factory. I can't imagine getting a bigger tire than a 31 after even a 4+ inch lift. Any advice on what I may need and involved for his lifts?

Thanks in hope this gets noticed

ZR2nit said:

Reviving this thread as it seems this gentleman is interested in doing everything that I would want to. When I get my Liberty that is.

I have done some browsing today. My conclusion is that you want to stay away from RRO because of customer service and their quality of lift components. My question is does that include all theiron other parts as well? Also when it comes to the JBA lifted kits, if I got the CRD Liberty, would I need to re-gear? I see they come with 3.73 from the factory. I can't imagine getting a bigger tire than a 31 after even a 4+ inch lift. Any advice on what I may need and involved for his lifts?

Thanks in hope this gets noticed

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RRO, hit and miss some love them , most don't. Products are generally cheaper made and don't fit correctly
If you have a CRD you can " get buy " with stock gearing, but just like the gassers CRDs best rpm range will be out of range then. Instead of say running best at 1750 RPMs it will not be down to maybe 1400 so will lug more .
If you are lifting a CRD I would stay at 3-3.25 inches even with JBA UCAs that height is about the best overall.
Done 3 CRDs and all set up the same and the owners are enjoying them

Tom, not to poke the bear of knowledge so to speak but why do you advise not going above 4+ inches? Please take it easy on me as I'm a noob to Libertys.

I did however find a great YouTube video of Marlin describing what the different stages of his kits mean. I think that should be a sticky

The YouTube link


https://youtu.be/rH3Uc-TKUl4

CRDs have shorter CV shafts, want to say it's the driver's side so they get more cranky with higher lifts than gassers do.

How does that pertain to the cut down CVS that JBA offers? Will that compensate for any lift irregularities? I know the CRD comessage with factory 3.73. I can understand the need for a regear, my question is how has life in the CRD Libertys been with those that have the JBA 4 or 6 inch lifts? Anymore wear and tear? How good are the 4.10same? I know that certain companies and qualities can actually make a lower regear a nightmare because the R&P don't hold up.

Actually it might be the diff is in different spot slightly, making it very hard to rectify since the CVs hit extreme angles quicker.

I don't really think you'll see more wear and tear, but I think you'll find out quicker if you have any bad parts like U joints rear bushings etc.

I'm not sure about the R&P brands, Yukon is popular for the rear. I'd just do some research on any forum you can find. Front you're limited to factory 4.10 gears, from a 4cylinder KJ, might be able to find a full diff. Unless you get a steal front diff, then you can use normal Dana 30 gears.

ZR2nit said:

Tom, not to poke the bear of knowledge so to speak but why do you advise not going above 4+ inches? Please take it easy on me as I'm a noob to Libertys.

I did however find a great YouTube video of Marlin describing what the different stages of his kits mean. I think that should be a sticky

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Yes know all about the videos
Have actually been there to Marlins shop and worked with him

ZR2nit said:

How does that pertain to the cut down CVS that JBA offers? Will that compensate for any lift irregularities? I know the CRD comessage with factory 3.73. I can understand the need for a regear, my question is how has life in the CRD Libertys been with those that have the JBA 4 or 6 inch lifts? Anymore wear and tear? How good are the 4.10same? I know that certain companies and qualities can actually make a lower regear a nightmare because the R&P don't hold up.

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Like has been mentioned the front diff is over to the left side more to make room for the CRD.
As far as more wear and tear,....well anytime you lift any type there is going to be more of that . But even with the cut down CVs there is such an angle on the left side that you're going to have more issues than with a gasser.
I would never install a 6 inch on a CRD personally due to several things, money and the extra wear on everything. There are only about 3-4 running at 4 inches and above and they are not DD's , just play toys mainly. Like I said at 3.25, could push to 3.5 everything works good when using JBA UCAs etc for a DD.

At 4 inches max lift what size tire could I run? I see factory is 225. Could you run a 31 or equivalent?

I have also seen people post about lockers. Is that front and rear? I'd imagine rear only. Still if it is rear only its impressive that they make one for the Liberty.

My ideal setup would be a CRD with a front and rear bumper with d-rings,(I know no one makes a rear now ), skids all underneath, sliders, a great roof basket system.

ZR2nit said:

At 4 inches max lift what size tire could I run? I see factory is 225. Could you run a 31 or equivalent?

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Still on the 4 inch?
4 inch can run 32s they work and look good
of course regear like we talked about

4 inch on 32s -vs- stock CRD ( before lift )

ZR2nit said:

I have also seen people post about lockers. Is that front and rear? I'd imagine rear only. Still if it is rear only its impressive that they make one for the Liberty.

My ideal setup would be a CRD with a front and rear bumper with d-rings,(I know no one makes a rear now ��), skids all underneath, sliders, a great roof basket system.

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Front and rear are best
They make lockers for the front as well
SILVER one is Johns 03 with 3.5-3.75 inches of lift, 4.10s, my old ARB etc and 245-75-16s , my BLACK 04 with 4.5 inches of lift / 265-75-16s 4.10s etc

tommudd said:

Front and rear are best
They make lockers for the front as well
SILVER one is Johns 03 with 3.5-3.75 inches of lift, 4.10s, my old ARB etc and 245-75-16s , my BLACK 04 with 4.5 inches of lift / 265-75-16s 4.10s etc

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Hell yes!!! That's what I'm talking about!!! 4 inches from JBA it is sir. Any advice on what to do in order to prep the front diff for a locker? I haven't had an IFS rig with a front locker before. Thanks for the insight Tom

Anxiously awaiting advice