hid opinion

flair1111 · Jan 9, 2011

these are hid lights for the 02-05 liberty that supposed to replace the entire headlight assembly. whats yalls opinion of these? are they legit in the fact they would correctly distribute the light pattern? if so i may try to get some for my 06 eventually.

here....
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...B5448674C63D82BD4146A2CE3&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR

tjkj2002 · Jan 9, 2011

Those are foglights.

Midgear · Jan 10, 2011

aaaand case closed.

hyde · Jan 10, 2011

so? get them on fogs

ebay listers claim they are direct replacement for stock fogs, or you can wire new switches on sport models
$270? i dont think so.
more like $50-$80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-0...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Dmut · Jan 11, 2011

hyedipin said:
so? get them on fogs
ebay listers claim they are direct replacement for stock fogs, or you can wire new switches on sport models
$270? i dont think so.
more like $50-$80

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-0...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Those are "HID-ready". you should add xenon kit (bulbs+ballast+wiring) if you want true fog-light xenon projectors.

flair1111 · Jan 13, 2011

thanks all. im just so confused now. the more i read about brighter lights, the more confused oi get. seems the "whiter" bulbs from silverstar and piaa are not all they are claimed to be from what ive read. id just like to get the brightest lights i can that doesnt use any filter to make the light "seem" brighter cause all that does is cut the light spectrum and reduce true out put...or so ive read.

Red_KJ_666 · Jan 14, 2011

I'm running 6000K HID conversion lights (Real HID Ballasts,Bulbs not Phony halogen bulbs). 62$ delivered to my door gotta love E-Bay. They don't reflect off the rain or Snow like normal Halogen Bulbs. I removed my factory fogs and wired them to a trigger a relay to a set of Hella Rallye 3000 Compacts. Which are also converted to 6000K HID's. I love them and will never go back.

tjkj2002 · Jan 14, 2011

Red_KJ_666 said:
I'm running 6000K HID conversion lights (Real HID Ballasts,Bulbs not Phony halogen bulbs). 62$ delivered to my door gotta love E-Bay. They don't reflect off the rain or Snow like normal Halogen Bulbs. I removed my factory fogs and wired them to a trigger a relay to a set of Hella Rallye 3000 Compacts. Which are also converted to 6000K HID's. I love them and will never go back.

Yeah and only seeing about 25% of the HID's potential due to HID bulbs being in a Halogen housing.Your scattering 75% of your light in all the wrong directions in a Halogen housing.A wasted $62.

mmc757 · Jan 15, 2011

Try the DDM tuning kit. Its a good price, so if you decide that HID's are overrated, you didnt waste a lot of money.
I use them on my other car (6K, 35w). The color is basically daylight colored but are they actually brighter than a good halogen? probably not, just different. Its a personal taste issue I think. The 5K, 55W are probably extremely bright.

No way in a million years I would spend over $100 on light bulbs. Probably not even $75.

03kjlmtd · Jan 15, 2011

I had these exact fog lights. I don't recommend them. They were real projectors, but the bulbs weren't very bright at all, and there was no way to change them. It's glued shut, took it to the shop where they do HID conversions and they weren't able to get it open to change the bulbs.

tjkj2002 · Jan 15, 2011

mmc757 said:
No way in a million years I would spend over $100 on light bulbs. Probably not even $75.

A true HID kit will run you well over $600,well one that is worth a damn at least and no they do not make any for a KJ.

JeepOwner07 · Jan 16, 2011

i dont do alot of night time driving with the Jeep, i basically use her to go get my work vehicle, then drive that for the last 2-3 hours of darkness. However i did switch from factory bulbs to sylvania ultras and they did make a huge difference, i needed more light because in Pa especially SWPA there are a ton of deer, and i wanted to be able to see more of the road they work Perfectly! Huge difference. costly though 30-35 bucks a bulb

flair1111 · Jan 16, 2011

JeepOwner07 said:
i dont do alot of night time driving with the Jeep, i basically use her to go get my work vehicle, then drive that for the last 2-3 hours of darkness. However i did switch from factory bulbs to sylvania ultras and they did make a huge difference, i needed more light because in Pa especially SWPA there are a ton of deer, and i wanted to be able to see more of the road they work Perfectly! Huge difference. costly though 30-35 bucks a bulb

thats what i was gonna try but from what ive read, they make the bulb concentrate to throw the light farther which reduces filament life, then they use a tint on the bulb to make the light appear whiter which makes the brain think it actually brighter, when in reality it isnt. it cuts the light spectrum a bit and the light really doesnt illuminate the road like it should...and supposedly they lose some light spread.

just what ive read.....i did buy the silverstar pack thats just above the factory version and comparing those to the factory fog lights, i can actually see that they do lose some real illumination. they are a whiter light, but they dont show as much to my eyes when seeing the two different sets shine at the same time. everything seems to lose some depth and looks flat.

read this. i broke the link so fix it in your browser.
ht tp://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/blue/good/good.html

LibertyFever · Jan 16, 2011

You can't expect to really improve your stock headlights very much and still stay street legal. As far as I know HID headlights aren't DOT approved in any states.

I don't do very much night offroading so extra dedicated HID lamps aren't worthwhile.

If you do any amount of highway driving at night I recommend a pair of driving lamps with either 55 watt or 100 watt lamps. They should cost you about $100.

I have a pair of Hella700FF's with 55 watt bulbs on the front of my Libby tied into my HiBeams (likely not a DOT approved method). The other night I managed to spot three moose crossing the road which made me appreciate them.

Something I've noticed about the HID driving lamps, they take a small amount of time to warm up and they are blindingly bright. You could easily blind oncoming drivers with them which is as dangerous as hitting a deer.

tjkj2002 · Jan 16, 2011

LibertyFever said:
You can't expect to really improve your stock headlights very much and still stay street legal. As far as I know HID headlights aren't DOT approved in any states.

If your vehicle came with HID low beams they are DOT legal,and the HID kits that replace the whole housing with the correct housing for HID bulbs are also DOT approved.Those hack job HID kits seen on fleabay are very illegal in all 50 states.

mmc757 · Jan 17, 2011

LibertyFever said:
Something I've noticed about the HID driving lamps, they take a small amount of time to warm up and they are blindingly bright. You could easily blind oncoming drivers with them which is as dangerous as hitting a deer.

The warmup time is annoying, but they are drivable in about 10 seconds, and fully warm in under 30 so its not that big a deal. Just different.

As far as blinding others, its important to point them correctly. If thats done, I dont think they are any worse than a halogen.

Red_KJ_666 · Jan 17, 2011

Warm up time depends on the Ballast if you have a Slim Ballast which Liberty_Fever has seen on my jeeps Rallye 3000's they take 30-45 seconds to fully come up, a good Full size ballast will come up in 5-10 seconds. Likely if you are driving at night you turn your lights on before leaving your driveway. As far as no Light Gain LMAO I know that you loose light from not using a projector unit (Which doesn't exist for a KJ) but to say you don't gain anything is pretty much ignorance. I will try to get a good picture of my HID kit with a 100W Halogen on one side and the 35w 6000K HID on the other in a dark area the difference in how much further you can see is about 80-90 feet. Plus in my experience with 6000K (Which has a hint of Blue) they don't reflect off Rain or Snow like Halogens causing that Blinding/Mesmerizing blur of white that you would normally get. I work with this stuff everyday and It's just my 2 cents.

tommudd · Jan 17, 2011

mmc757 said:
The warmup time is annoying, but they are drivable in about 10 seconds, and fully warm in under 30 so its not that big a deal. Just different.

As far as blinding others, its important to point them correctly. If thats done, I dont think they are any worse than a halogen.

99.9 % are a whole lot worse and I'd take a hammer to them if I could. :whip:Maybe you should drive towards yours instead of sitting inside. The light goes every direction than how it should, sure it looks brighter but its not.

tjkj2002 · Jan 17, 2011

Red_KJ_666 said:
Warm up time depends on the Ballast if you have a Slim Ballast which Liberty_Fever has seen on my jeeps Rallye 3000's they take 30-45 seconds to fully come up, a good Full size ballast will come up in 5-10 seconds. Likely if you are driving at night you turn your lights on before leaving your driveway. As far as no Light Gain LMAO I know that you loose light from not using a projector unit (Which doesn't exist for a KJ) but to say you don't gain anything is pretty much ignorance. I will try to get a good picture of my HID kit with a 100W Halogen on one side and the 35w 6000K HID on the other in a dark area the difference in how much further you can see is about 80-90 feet. Plus in my experience with 6000K (Which has a hint of Blue) they don't reflect off Rain or Snow like Halogens causing that Blinding/Mesmerizing blur of white that you would normally get. I work with this stuff everyday and It's just my 2 cents.

My KJ HID's are full on in less then 1 second,they also are housed in the correct HID housing and will throw the beam well over a mile in front of you.

A HIB bulb in a halogen housing is just plain blinding,sure it looks brighter but to oncoming traffic it's just blinding.

Dmut · Jan 18, 2011

tjkj2002 said:
My KJ HID's are full on in less then 1 second,they also are housed in the correct HID housing

whats brand and model number of housing and bulbs?

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