lockers

ptsb5a said:

I can't wait to have enough pennies rolled to put lockers in my KJ.

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Ditto.....

Can't decide if I want to go with the Aussie Locker and do it myself, or a Detroit and pay a professional to install it.....

Detroit.

Warren.fischbeck said:

Only if you pop the clutch while climbing rocks with one wheel up in the air. It's only people who don't know how to drive a stick that have issues. I don't concider being able to drive down the highway as being able to drive a stick. Ask anyone who spent more then five years driving stick and wheeled with a stick if they think they would have issues while wheeling.

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Not the only reason why manuals break more parts.The clutch does a piss-poor job of absorbing driveline shock from the slightest "let off the throttle and get back on it" is enough to break parts in a manual trans vehicle when offroad.In a auto trans the torque converter absorbs that type of driveline shocks so the rest of your driveline does not get effected by them.

ThunderbirdJunkie said:

you ain't stuck you ain't tryin'

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spoken like a guy who was conquored by a sand hill (rotflmao)

tjkj2002 said:

Not the only reason why manuals break more parts.The clutch does a piss-poor job of absorbing driveline shock from the slightest "let off the throttle and get back on it" is enough to break parts in a manual trans vehicle when offroad.In a auto trans the torque converter absorbs that type of driveline shocks so the rest of your driveline does not get effected by them.

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That's where driver skill comes into play. A poor line will break any rig. Know your rig + know your skill = know what line to take. The only manuals I've ever seen come apart on a trail were the ones driven by inexperienced drivers.

ms5490renegade said:

spoken like a guy who was conquored by a sand hill (rotflmao)

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It was pea gravel and there was some slowpoke in front of ThunderbirdJunkie.

Warren.fischbeck said:

That's where driver skill comes into play. A poor line will break any rig. Know your rig + know your skill = know what line to take. The only manuals I've ever seen come apart on a trail were the ones driven by inexperienced drivers.

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Not real true,you will still get nasty driveline shocks even with the best manual driver(at the cost of the clutch also).

I've seen guy's with D60/D70 rears explode chromo 35 spline axles with a manual trans(35" tires) while the next TJ with 35" tires is still rocking a stock D35 rear(just re-geared) and that D35 still lives because that TJ has a auto trans instead of a manual.I've seen a 100% stock TJ blow apart axles with a manual trans when a auto trans TJ will not,even with a beginer driver at the wheel of the auto and a very skilled driver behind the wheel of the manual.

Warren.fischbeck said:

That's where driver skill comes into play. A poor line will break any rig. Know your rig + know your skill = know what line to take. The only manuals I've ever seen come apart on a trail were the ones driven by inexperienced drivers.

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loose ,steep hill climb = wheel hop = tires off the ground + traction = boom

54" boggers on 2.5 tons can still hop
hit them with enough power and even rockwells will give way
if you are not loosing traction and do not have lockers but yet claim to wheel
you need wake up because only a fool believes he can wheel so good that he can avoid wheel slippage with out lockers and still claim to wheel
remember I run front and rear lockers and have run on LTB's which are only beat by Irocks (maybe) and Boggers for off road traction and I have gotten wheel slippage in mud and rocks and both at the same time but have also gotten enough traction to rip lugs off yet have managed to not break any thing ,yet

why don't we all just agree that everything has the ability to break, bend, snap, warp, blow up, and grenade. Either you drive conservatively or you hammer-down on that skinny pedal. Stuff breaks and then you have to fix it... The key to four-wheeling is knowing the limits of your rig by constantly pushing that envelope.

Say you went out on a nasty trail run last weekend and saw some guys make it up a pretty big ledge. You may take that experience and go home and come up with a plan to build your rig "better" or make improvements to conquer that obstacle. Or you can continue to use the go-around and keep the tires on the ground by picking that good line.

Pick the good lines here people, don't flame, and be the bigger guy and drive over the obstacles instead of sliding down into the ruts...

(biggthumpup) (Argh)

J-Thompson said:

loose ,steep hill climb = wheel hop = tires off the ground + traction = boom

54" boggers on 2.5 tons can still hop
hit them with enough power and even rockwells will give way
if you are not loosing traction and do not have lockers but yet claim to wheel
you need wake up because only a fool believes he can wheel so good that he can avoid wheel slippage with out lockers and still claim to wheel
remember I run front and rear lockers and have run on LTB's which are only beat by Irocks (maybe) and Boggers for off road traction and I have gotten wheel slippage in mud and rocks and both at the same time but have also gotten enough traction to rip lugs off yet have managed to not break any thing ,yet

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that goes to the point of being a ****** driver. yea maybe you get a little spin. thats when you figure out your next step. gun it? go back and hit it harder? different line? i mean damn ive been doing this for 2 years and i dont seem to have broken more than 1 jeep liberty

ms5490renegade said:

that goes to the point of being a ****** driver. yea maybe you get a little spin. thats when you figure out your next step. gun it? go back and hit it harder? different line? i mean damn ive been doing this for 2 years and i dont seem to have broken more than 1 jeep liberty

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see post #31
watch the "real trail" video
what would you do different?
even more so what would you do with open diff's
and crappy tires?
I know the answer ,see the other video
the trail at that point is maybe 10' wide ,those trees claim lots of paint
they got some of mine
I did make it
I did spin my tires ,A LOT
I did not break any thing ,bent and scratched a few things
people who wheel know what will happen
people who go out on the trails are clueless

J-Thompson said:

see post #31
watch the "real trail" video
what would you do different?
even more so what would you do with open diff's
and crappy tires?
I know the answer ,see the other video
the trail at that point is maybe 10' wide ,those trees claim lots of paint
they got some of mine
I did make it
I did spin my tires ,A LOT
I did not break any thing ,bent and scratched a few things
people who wheel know what will happen
people who go out on the trails are clueless

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honestly it looks like that truck was severly underpowered because i could ride a scooter up that little rock he was struggling on.

ms5490renegade said:

honestly it looks like that truck was severly underpowered because i could ride a scooter up that little rock he was struggling on.

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Damn kids. So cocky.

ms5490renegade said:

honestly it looks like that truck was severly underpowered because i could ride a scooter up that little rock he was struggling on.

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No lockers your not going far.........................

http://www.traildamage.com/trails/blanca_peak/060819/don_up_jaws_3.wmv

One scary trail if it's wet.
http://www.traildamage.com/trails/index.php?id=112

ms5490renegade said:

honestly it looks like that truck was severly underpowered because i could ride a scooter up that little rock he was struggling on.

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who needs power
he has gearing
maybe this concept also escapes you
33" tall tire + 33" tall rock - locker = stuck

You have no idea how much I would love to see you stare down some real trail
and tuck tail
I would take great pleasure in this
as of now my wheelin will be early October ,in fact I may enter the LCC if I can find a good spotter
this would be a great chance for you to come down ,up, over or what ever and show me how to wheel
next will probably be the weekend after Thanksgiving and hopefully I will make Gilmer TX in Jan. 2011
Oct and Nov will be just west of Natchez MS and Jan will be as stated Gilmer TX
come on out and show me
Natchez is 4+ hours 1 way and Gilmer is 6-8 for me and I drive my rig so drive should be no excuse for you
if money is then you for damn sure dont need to be off road

oh and you still failed to answer the question
how would you handle this trail?
I can find a video of a locked JK on 35's getting owned by the same spot so the
"I would walk up because I have enough power" is out

J-Thompson said:

who needs power
he has gearing
maybe this concept also escapes you
33" tall tire + 33" tall rock - locker = stuck

You have no idea how much I would love to see you stare down some real trail
and tuck tail
I would take great pleasure in this
as of now my wheelin will be early October ,in fact I may enter the LCC if I can find a good spotter
this would be a great chance for you to come down ,up, over or what ever and show me how to wheel
next will probably be the weekend after Thanksgiving and hopefully I will make Gilmer TX in Jan. 2011
Oct and Nov will be just west of Natchez MS and Jan will be as stated Gilmer TX
come on out and show me
Natchez is 4+ hours 1 way and Gilmer is 6-8 for me and I drive my rig so drive should be no excuse for you
if money is then you for damn sure dont need to be off road

oh and you still failed to answer the question
how would you handle this trail?
I can find a video of a locked JK on 35's getting owned by the same spot so the
"I would walk up because I have enough power" is out

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you can find a video of a locked jk on 35's getting stuck anywhere. its wayy more popular of a vehicle to see modified which means more people who cant drive will have one.

that truck didnt have anything. he was stuck in the beginning on rocks my liberty would have made it over. my next time off road is the october badlands trip. thats if i can get a job by the end of this month. if i cant, i wont be off road again this year

Thinking adding a Detriot TT when I have a shop replace my leaking pinion seal and probably the bearing while in there, if money will allow.
Any issues with adding one with ESP?

Or should I wait and get a DTT up front?
What are the pros/cons for adding an LSD just up front or just for the rear?
To be honest I kind of like the idea of the DTT up front more, but if they are already in there replacing the pinion seal and bearings it would be a breeze to add in the rear...

And I know a true locker would be better, but its mainly a DD that stays on the road so I figured adding a DTT would make it much better for those few times she does go offroad then two open diffs I have now..

ms5490renegade said:

you can find a video of a locked jk on 35's getting stuck anywhere. its wayy more popular of a vehicle to see modified which means more people who cant drive will have one.

that truck didnt have anything. he was stuck in the beginning on rocks my liberty would have made it over. my next time off road is the october badlands trip. thats if i can get a job by the end of this month. if i cant, i wont be off road again this year

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first, the point he was at most KJ's would not even get there and if they did they would be locked ,a ZJ on 31's with 3" of lift could not even get to that point
where he was hung up ,for the 10 seconds, was in a spot that would put a lifted KJ off the ground ,less 1 that is SFA, due to lack of break over angle

last thing I will say is this talk is cheep
I have the trail scars to prove where my rig has been
and at any point that I am going wheelin you are welcome to try to follow
as the places I go are public ,for the most part
just remember this
when I tell you WE are running trail "X" and it is rated 3-4 out of 5 ,far beyond what a stock JK can handle, dont get part way down the trail and start to cry about trail damage and want to turn back because we go 1 way forward if you want to go back then go by your self
I did it once to a guy in an FJ on 34" swampers when he got all chicken shait
about having his wheel go 3' into the air I will do it just as fast to any one else
"we came to wheel not baby sit ,if you dont want to wheel then go park it"

oh and I see the cute little pictures in your sig
show me 3 or 4 more of you going up that little step and I will be impressed
oh and a little bigger please
I could get the front tires of my wifes VW up on it ,big deal

bmrrwolfe said:

Thinking adding a Detriot TT when I have a shop replace my leaking pinion seal and probably the bearing while in there, if money will allow.
Any issues with adding one with ESP?

Or should I wait and get a DTT up front?
What are the pros/cons for adding an LSD just up front or just for the rear?
To be honest I kind of like the idea of the DTT up front more, but if they are already in there replacing the pinion seal and bearings it would be a breeze to add in the rear...

And I know a true locker would be better, but its mainly a DD that stays on the road so I figured adding a DTT would make it much better for those few times she does go offroad then two open diffs I have now..

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Having ESP and adding the TT to the rear would be a good combination
much better than open
and knowing how ESP functions it will be almost like a selectable locker that works automatically
put 1 up front also and you could go far

J-Thompson said:

oh and I see the cute little pictures in your sig
show me 3 or 4 more of you going up that little step and I will be impressed
oh and a little bigger please
I could get the front tires of my wifes VW up on it ,big deal

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A 100% stock (rental) JK and several lifted KJs went right over that step wet. ThunderbirdJunkie has video of one of the KJs doing it without spinning a tire.