JK Owners

To all those JK owners out there.

I'm seriously thinking about trading my 2003 KJ in for a 2010 JK. I'm trying to get an idea of what I should pay. If you have a JK, can you please give me an idea of what you bought it for? Could you post what trim level you have, what the sticker price was and what you paid for it.

Over on the JK-forum.com it looks like the general consensus is $5000 below sticker price regardless of trim level.

TIA,
Shaffer

What I have is in my sig below. What I paid is irrelevant, each deal is different depending on how well of a negotiator you are, your credit score etc. The best time to buy is the last day or two of the month when the sharks are at their hungriest.

You really need to do your own research. Visit a site like edmunds.com to see what they are selling for in your area. Rather than trying to answer all your questions, go to the Jeep website for all the models, options and cash incentives, but it really sounds like you need to visit a dealership and do some window shopping to see things up front and personal. You may also want to find a website or two that gives the ins and outs of buying a vehicle so you get what you want at the best price.

Some JK advice...

- stay away from any JK that has 3.21 gears, especially if you ever plan on larger tires.

- the 6-speed is junk, go with the automatic

Good luck and happy shopping!!

I have access to a 07 JK Sahara that I drive at times. I have driven it on and off road. It was ordered with dana 44 and 4:11 gearing from the factory in 07. Has A/T. That is the minimum gearing you would want I think. I agree with AZKJ on the gearing.

As far as pricing goes you will have to check your area I think. If you can't get a deal in Ticonderoga you might have to try looking in Glens Falls or Saratoga.

Dave

ShafferNY said:

To all those JK owners out there.

I'm seriously thinking about trading my 2003 KJ in for a 2010 JK. I'm trying to get an idea of what I should pay. If you have a JK, can you please give me an idea of what you bought it for? Could you post what trim level you have, what the sticker price was and what you paid for it.

Over on the JK-forum.com it looks like the general consensus is $5000 below sticker price regardless of trim level.

TIA,
Shaffer

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I'm in Texas, obviously the markets are going to be different....but, I JUST traded my 08KK in on an 08JK...I've got the Wrangler X edition. It only has 20K miles on it so it's barely broken in. I paid $18K for it. It is definately a transition, but I'm stoked about getting started on the mods...so much potential. I think that's what drove me away from the KK. Not much out there for it even after two years. Good luck....keep us posted!!

talleybird_kk said:

I'm in Texas, obviously the markets are going to be different....but, I JUST traded my 08KK in on an 08JK...I've got the Wrangler X edition. It only has 20K miles on it so it's barely broken in. I paid $18K for it. It is definately a transition, but I'm stoked about getting started on the mods...so much potential. I think that's what drove me away from the KK. Not much out there for it even after two years. Good luck....keep us posted!!

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I believe the OP was talking new, not used??

I'll have to agree with the others. Ever region and every week is gonna be different. My feeling is if you can get one for under sticker jump on it.
You'll love the JK... Soooo many possibilities..

AZKJ said:

What I have is in my sig below. What I paid is irrelevant, each deal is different depending on how well of a negotiator you are, your credit score etc. The best time to buy is the last day or two of the month when the sharks are at their hungriest.

You really need to do your own research. Visit a site like edmunds.com to see what they are selling for in your area. Rather than trying to answer all your questions, go to the Jeep website for all the models, options and cash incentives, but it really sounds like you need to visit a dealership and do some window shopping to see things up front and personal. You may also want to find a website or two that gives the ins and outs of buying a vehicle so you get what you want at the best price.

Some JK advice...

- stay away from any JK that has 3.21 gears, especially if you ever plan on larger tires.

- the 6-speed is junk, go with the automatic

Good luck and happy shopping!!

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All good advise with the exception of the ****** choice. In my opinion, as well as many others, the auto is junk.
If you go with the 6 speed you can get more power to the ground and you can get away with bigger tires without throwing AS much gearing into it. With that said, if you do a lot of crawling and you are not comfortable with a manual, then by all means, go with the auto.

I've been doing a TON of reading on the new JK's. I even signed up for www.JK-Forum.com so I could ask questions and get opinons.

The general concensus is that the 3.21's SUX, but opinions are divided on the transmission. Some people swear by the manual, and while others swear by automatic.

My mind is pretty made up on that choice though. I'm looking at the automatic, simply because I launch a boat by myself and I don't want to dump the vehicle in the lake should the e-brake not hold. I'm not sure how it is on the JK, but the e-brake on the KJ *****!

Some people say they gotten their new JK for $3000-5000 below sticker price, but I'm not sure I believe it. One dealer I talked to would only knock off $750, while another would knock off $1000. I'm currently working with a dealer to get me into the JK I want, at a price I can afford. We'll see if it happens.

Dave,
Gotta love living in Ticonderoga. The nearest Jeep dealer is just under an hour away, Elizabethtown. Last weekend my girlfriend and I spent hopping from one dealer to the next, to the next. We hit Brileya's in Rutland, Nemer's in Glens Falls, and Willie Racine's in Burlington. I'm currently working with Durocher's in Plattsburgh to see if they can get me into the JK I want, at a price I can afford. We'll see if it happens. So far they've been great to deal with.

ShafferNY said:

Dave,
Gotta love living in Ticonderoga. The nearest Jeep dealer is just under an hour away, Elizabethtown. Last weekend my girlfriend and I spent hopping from one dealer to the next, to the next. We hit Brileya's in Rutland, Nemer's in Glens Falls, and Willie Racine's in Burlington. I'm currently working with Durocher's in Plattsburgh to see if they can get me into the JK I want, at a price I can afford. We'll see if it happens. So far they've been great to deal with.

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Ti is beautiful. I lived there. (well, Putnam Station address-population 50...including the squirrels....haha) Absolutely beautiful mountains, lakes, no jobs....haha You are lucky to be able to live there. Problem is, you have to drive 100 miles to find a decent store or buy anything. That aside, I would live there if I could.

Driving to Plattsburgh to get a jeep huh. Don't trip or your head will be in Canada and your feet in NY.....

Happy jeep hunting.

Dave

ShafferNY said:

I've been doing a TON of reading on the new JK's. I even signed up for www.JK-Forum.com so I could ask questions and get opinons.

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Try JKOwners.com a much better site and friendlier folks..

benny said:

All good advise with the exception of the ****** choice. In my opinion, as well as many others, the auto is junk.
If you go with the 6 speed you can get more power to the ground and you can get away with bigger tires without throwing AS much gearing into it. With that said, if you do a lot of crawling and you are not comfortable with a manual, then by all means, go with the auto.

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your advice is a matter of uneducated opinion not fact
fact an auto or "slush box" is Just that it has more give than stick shift
yes you can get more power to the wheels ,direct link when in gear no give
but a cost of or the need for gearing or power NEITHER of which the JK has enough of
The 2 door with an auto and 4.10's can barely pull 33's on road
the rubi does better off road thanks to the 4 to 1 but you can not run 35's on road with 4.10's so pointless
The 4 door with a 6 speed and STOCK tires struggles to start of going up hill
where TJ's laugh at it ,even nonRubi Unlimited TJ's with 33's did better
we though the Jeep had a problem or he was in 4wd high

J-Thompson said:

your advice is a matter of uneducated opinion not fact
fact an auto or "slush box" is Just that it has more give than stick shift
yes you can get more power to the wheels ,direct link when in gear no give
but a cost of or the need for gearing or power NEITHER of which the JK has enough of
The 2 door with an auto and 4.10's can barely pull 33's on road
the rubi does better off road thanks to the 4 to 1 but you can not run 35's on road with 4.10's so pointless
The 4 door with a 6 speed and STOCK tires struggles to start of going up hill
where TJ's laugh at it ,even nonRubi Unlimited TJ's with 33's did better
we though the Jeep had a problem or he was in 4wd high

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No sir, the FACT that you can get more power to the wheels with a 6 speed is just that, F-A-C-T. You can run bigger tires without AS much of a lower gear in your axles, F-A-C-T.
Yes, the auto can barely pull 33's, like I said, it's junk, you need lower gears to do what you can do in a 6 speed without as much of a lower gear, IMO.
Just look at the gear ratio differences in the transmissions in each gear, 1st,- 2nd and so on. The 6 sp has a lower 1st, a lower 2nd, a lower 3rd and so on.
So with both having 4.10 gearing ( this is assuming both have the same gear ratio ) you will get more power to the ground with the 6 speed.
My 6 speed pulls just fine (it's a 2 door), it's more capable than any TJ, with all things being equal.
Anyway, that's my take on it. It is a forum, we all have different opinions, but some are FACTS.

benny said:

No sir, the FACT that you can get more power to the wheels with a 6 speed is just that, F-A-C-T. You can run bigger tires without AS much of a lower gear in your axles, F-A-C-T.
Yes, the auto can barely pull 33's, like I said, it's junk, you need lower gears to do what you can do in a 6 speed without as much of a lower gear, IMO.
Just look at the gear ratio differences in the transmissions in each gear, 1st,- 2nd and so on. The 6 sp has a lower 1st, a lower 2nd, a lower 3rd and so on.
So with both having 4.10 gearing ( this is assuming both have the same gear ratio ) you will get more power to the ground with the 6 speed.
My 6 speed pulls just fine (it's a 2 door), it's more capable than any TJ, with all things being equal.
Anyway, that's my take on it. It is a forum, we all have different opinions, but some are FACTS.

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what I know is this
stop on a 30* or more hill with a stick and go up?
same hill with an auto?
now both in a JK on 33's the auto will make it the stick will not
now under a TJ?
both auto and stick make it
why? torque

J-Thompson said:

your advice is a matter of uneducated opinion not fact
fact an auto or "slush box" is Just that it has more give than stick shift
yes you can get more power to the wheels ,direct link when in gear no give
but a cost of or the need for gearing or power NEITHER of which the JK has enough of
The 2 door with an auto and 4.10's can barely pull 33's on road
the rubi does better off road thanks to the 4 to 1 but you can not run 35's on road with 4.10's so pointless
The 4 door with a 6 speed and STOCK tires struggles to start of going up hill
where TJ's laugh at it ,even nonRubi Unlimited TJ's with 33's did better
we though the Jeep had a problem or he was in 4wd high

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why are you lying to them? a 2 door with 3.73's is fine with 33's.
4.10's are needed for 35's.

benny said:

No sir, the FACT that you can get more power to the wheels with a 6 speed is just that, F-A-C-T. You can run bigger tires without AS much of a lower gear in your axles, F-A-C-T.
Yes, the auto can barely pull 33's, like I said, it's junk, you need lower gears to do what you can do in a 6 speed without as much of a lower gear, IMO.
Just look at the gear ratio differences in the transmissions in each gear, 1st,- 2nd and so on. The 6 sp has a lower 1st, a lower 2nd, a lower 3rd and so on.
So with both having 4.10 gearing ( this is assuming both have the same gear ratio ) you will get more power to the ground with the 6 speed.
My 6 speed pulls just fine (it's a 2 door), it's more capable than any TJ, with all things being equal.
Anyway, that's my take on it. It is a forum, we all have different opinions, but some are FACTS.

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the only fact is the 6 speed has been recalled in the jk for a reason. the auto is better. atleast for right now

J-Thompson said:

what I know is this
stop on a 30* or more hill with a stick and go up?
same hill with an auto?
now both in a JK on 33's the auto will make it the stick will not
now under a TJ?
both auto and stick make it
why? torque

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If the stick will not make it, how do you explain the fact that I can and have seen many others do it? Some straight up, others after having stopped on said "very steep" hill.
How do you explain the fact that I have seen TJ's not make it through a place a JK just did?
How do you explain the fact that I've seen a TJ just make it through a place where a JK didn't? It all boils down to the DRIVER.
4.0 and 3.8, two totally different beasts. you have to know where the sweet spot is in either of them to operate it correctly. In certain situations your E-brake is your best friend if you don't have a hand throttle.
Stick all the way, it makes you a more connected and capable driver, if not it will get exspensive quick.

ms5490renegade said:

the only fact is the 6 speed has been recalled in the jk for a reason. the auto is better. atleast for right now

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I believe the auto has been recalled for some malfunctioning overheating light of some sorts. I am not aware of one for the 6 speed.
I know there are several TSB's on both transmissions though. If you have found a recall on the 6 speed could you post a link to it?
My 6 speed has been flawless and I wouldn't change a thing, but like most things in life, it is always a matter of personal preference.

benny said:

I believe the auto has been recalled for some malfunctioning overheating light of some sorts. I am not aware of one for the 6 speed.
I know there are several TSB's on both transmissions though. If you have found a recall on the 6 speed could you post a link to it?
My 6 speed has been flawless and I wouldn't change a thing, but like most things in life, it is always a matter of personal preference.

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all jk's were recalled for that.
when off road the oil temp can exceed safe levels and they are installing a HOT OIL light

Autos - ********. If they were that much better, stronger and efficient, they would be in OTR trucks. With modern computer controls, they are moving that way...but they are not there. The fastest cars in the world...endurance racers...OTR's...all rely on sticks.

The lower 1st gear of the 6spd gives you more oomph off of the line in every situation where tire height and gear ratio are the same. You do not waste RPM to overcome stall speed and build heat to lock up the viscous convertor. you do not have nearly the parasitic loss as a direct-drive.
It is a simple matter of mathmatics. They will lie about "2.5 multiple of tq" with an auto but that is a proven lie: An auto KJ would be putting 575 ft/lbs down if that were the truth, and the D30a would last about...no time. Check ANY of the dozens of crawl-ratio calculators for non-biased troof.

Yes, shock loads can increase for people who cannot drive. But the inability to drive a stick is no reason to bash them.

Benny, you are arguing with a guy who drives a jetta station wagon and not a KJ at all.... tiquan = :homoswitch: He cracks on the KJ, doesn't own one, but is here trolling away...

ms5490renegade said:

all jk's were recalled for that.
when off road the oil temp can exceed safe levels and they are installing a HOT OIL light

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Only the autos were recalled for that. 6-speeds don't have that problem.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2009/11/recall-20072008-jeep-wrangler.html

http://carrecalls.blogspot.com/2009/11/jeep-wrangler-recall.html

I have a 2007 jk with a 6- speed and I have been nothing but happy with it.


Nature of Defect:
2. POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION Recall Number: 09V436000
Dates Manufactured: Jun 2006 to Jul 2008
Number of Vehicles Affected: 161450
Date Owners Notified On: N/A

Vehicle: 2008 Jeep Wrangler
Defect Description:
CHRYSLER IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2007 THROUGH 2008 JEEP WRANGLER MANUFACTURE BETWEEN JUNE 2006 THROUGH JULY 2008 PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. THESE VEHICLES WERE NOT EQUIPPED WITH A TRANSMISSION FLUID TEMPERATURE WARNING SYSTEM.

Consequence of Defect:
FLUID COULD BOIL OVER AND MAY COME INTO CONTACT WITH A HOT ENGINE OR EXHAUST COMPONENT AND CAUSE A FIRE.

Corrective Action:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND INSTALL A "HOTOIL" MESSAGE IN THE INSTRUMENT CLUSTER AND A CHIME INDICATING AN ELEVATED TRANSMISSION FLUID CONDITION. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING DECEMBER 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER AT 1-800-835-1403.