So what does a Fuel Filter with 169K miles look like?

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We got the vehicle with 140K on it - it's now done 169k.
Since we got it the fuel pump has been noisy; but it got worse in the past few months. Thinking that the pump might be on its way out (hardly surprising with this milege) - which has probably been hindered by a filter never having been changed, I decided to drop the tank over the weekend to fit a new mopar filter an an 'ebay' junkyard pump with 50K miles on it.

Well, the tank drop was easy.

Re-install was a PITA though, as the 'new' (used) pump from ebay was dead. Luckilly, I had decided to check this with the tank on the ground and the harness connected up.

So, slid it out again, removed the pump, and took a good luck at the old/new pumps. I then decided to remove the two 'suction filter bags' off the 50K pump and fit these onto the old pump. The new mopar filter was also hooked up.

Re-installation was easy (these tanks are super-light being plastic) the only PITA was the large push-in pipe on the breather cannister. The only way i could connect this was with grease on the fitting, and by pulling (stretching) the pipe through the cross-member, then using a set of vise-grips to hold it proud - keeping it from flopping around. The breather pipe on the tank easilly plugged in after that!

Priming the fuel pump the first time - it was clear something was very different - for the first time ever - I can't hear the fuel pump!
Also - the engine for the first few times of starting - flared up a LOT more than normal - suggesting more fuel (flow/pressure) than before. after several starts and runs on Sunday, it since settled back to what it should be.

So - after throwing the old filter in the trash, i then hauled it out and cut it open... And It's no wonder the old pump was making a complaining noise. this thing is VERY nasty - the worst filter I've ever seen (the little dark grey pieces in the pic 1/4 way up are from sawing open the pump body).

I did the usual 'not reccomended' thing of trying to blow through this, and it was very restrictive... (blarg)

So, If you can 'hear' your pump - and have any kind of miles on your jeep - I definately recomend swapping out the filter for sure. I doubt the pump suction bags are available from the dealer, but these could also benefit from changing if there is any opportunity.
At least this does show that even when dirty, and with high miles, the stock filter is still effective at doing what it should; kinda takes away the impetus / concern about changing it at 100K (or less).


Dropping the tank was a lot easier than what I've heard about opening up the access panel in the trunk as well... We had 1/8 fuel in when we droped it - and empty when re-fitting.


Here is the pic (link rather than posted as it's large)!
http://www.davecoxon.co.uk/filter_169K.JPG
 

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Jeep says that the fuel filter is a "life time" filter,I don't believe in a filter being lifetime.I change mine every 30,000 miles,then again I've changed my fuel filters on all of my vehicles at 30,000 miles except one(my mud drag race Blazer I had,changed every race).
 

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Well, lifetime in OE speak - means 100K - ie outside of the best factory warranty. Lifetime also refers to (from a replacement aspect on a service item, rather than a component like a crankshaft in the engine) a first-owner standpoint, not second, or third owner.

TJKJ: Have you opened up any of your old KJ filters? It'd be interesting to see what they look like compared to this thing.
 
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We got the vehicle with 140K on it - it's now done 169k.
Since we got it the fuel pump has been noisy; but it got worse in the past few months. Thinking that the pump might be on its way out (hardly surprising with this milege) - which has probably been hindered by a filter never having been changed, I decided to drop the tank over the weekend to fit a new mopar filter an an 'ebay' junkyard pump with 50K miles on it.

Well, the tank drop was easy.

Re-install was a PITA though, as the 'new' (used) pump from ebay was dead. Luckilly, I had decided to check this with the tank on the ground and the harness connected up.

So, slid it out again, removed the pump, and took a good luck at the old/new pumps. I then decided to remove the two 'suction filter bags' off the 50K pump and fit these onto the old pump. The new mopar filter was also hooked up.

Re-installation was easy (these tanks are super-light being plastic) the only PITA was the large push-in pipe on the breather cannister. The only way i could connect this was with grease on the fitting, and by pulling (stretching) the pipe through the cross-member, then using a set of vise-grips to hold it proud - keeping it from flopping around. The breather pipe on the tank easilly plugged in after that!

Priming the fuel pump the first time - it was clear something was very different - for the first time ever - I can't hear the fuel pump!
Also - the engine for the first few times of starting - flared up a LOT more than normal - suggesting more fuel (flow/pressure) than before. after several starts and runs on Sunday, it since settled back to what it should be.

So - after throwing the old filter in the trash, i then hauled it out and cut it open... And It's no wonder the old pump was making a complaining noise. this thing is VERY nasty - the worst filter I've ever seen (the little dark grey pieces in the pic 1/4 way up are from sawing open the pump body).

I did the usual 'not reccomended' thing of trying to blow through this, and it was very restrictive... (blarg)

So, If you can 'hear' your pump - and have any kind of miles on your jeep - I definately recomend swapping out the filter for sure. I doubt the pump suction bags are available from the dealer, but these could also benefit from changing if there is any opportunity.
At least this does show that even when dirty, and with high miles, the stock filter is still effective at doing what it should; kinda takes away the impetus / concern about changing it at 100K (or less).


Dropping the tank was a lot easier than what I've heard about opening up the access panel in the trunk as well... We had 1/8 fuel in when we droped it - and empty when re-fitting.


Here is the pic (link rather than posted as it's large)!
http://www.davecoxon.co.uk/filter_169K.JPG


Hey there,
Off topic, but what yead id that Mini in your shop?
Anything done to it?

Ry'
 

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OT apology - The mini is a '71 and is turbocharged. 1/4 in 13.65 @ 102 best IIRC... Much more to come once I'ver finished the design on my new clutch :rolleyes:

Hmmm - not noticed your sig before; you got one too?
 

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Good day,

Here is a link to my wifes website. There are some photo's of my Mini's there.
http://pic6.piczo.com/Vegetable09/?g=37824958&cr=6

This is some info on the engine:

An A+ 1275cc. bored over to 1380cc. (round about)
Very big bump stick.
big valve cyclinder head with sodium cooled valves.
Full roller bearing lifters.
Carbon fiber pushrods.
All steel balanced rods.
Forged pistons (12.5: to :1 pistons)
Original Works ST tuned exhaust. (Factory LCB Header, Straight pipe with Maniflow {expansion chamber sound dampener} [muffler for all us North Americans])
...
And way way more!

Thats just the engine!

Here is a thread with some more info:
http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32530
Ry'
 
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1) NASTY filter!

2) Very cool on the mini(s). I hope to tear into my '68 Sprite in the next year or two (1275cc as well)
 

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was that filter actually in the fuel pump module. or is that the one on the top corner of the tank?
what year kj also? because in 05 they changed some of their gas line and filter routes.
great info!!!!
mike

p.s. just for everbodies info: was their a manufacture name on the fuel pump? bosch etc....
 
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Fuel filter was from the link given several times in this post:
http://www.jeepkj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34470

Postage was $11 or something like that. Still cheaper than the dealer even without the tax.
And as complex as the filter may be, with the formed plastic pipes, and quick-clips, Mopar has a ridiculous mark-up on this - it should cost $75 max. If anyone has a 2004+, then this guy has a few: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160126245077


It's a 2002 Liberty - still a 4x2 (currently, but not for much longer).idea.gif

Mini stuff - btw - pics are all from England before I emigrated (with mini).
http://www.netsnapshot.com/pcw/buildalbum-cgi?KEY=0&ACCOUNT=4541
 
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*** OLD POST RESSURECTION ALERT ***


was that filter actually in the fuel pump module. or is that the one on the top corner of the tank?
what year kj also? because in 05 they changed some of their gas line and filter routes.
p.s. just for everbodies info: was their a manufacture name on the fuel pump? bosch etc....

The filter in the picture was the external one. The one that (as you note) changed in 2004ish...

I actually threw the 'dead' pump assembly out yesterday finally, but removed the pump to look for a name. It is a Delphi fuel pump.

I guess someone is going to ask me for the part number next (which I didn't write down, but the pump is in the scrap metal bin, rather than the trash, so i can have a look if needed...
 

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thank you! it is interesting that it was a delphi pump! i know delphi has been selling to most domestic and foreign manufactures! now when other peoples go out we can source one from other avenues if we know the name on the pump! also it is very interesting that the original noisey pump was cured by a new filter! just goes to show that their is time before permenant damage is done!
thanks, mike
 
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