Ball Joint Recall # 2

Cableguy · Aug 2, 2006

Mini Sumo said:
This is my question also ??? Since they just charged me to replace the 2nd set of crappy joints that failed ! I'm going back to the dealer to get a refund !!!!! Mini Sumo Was here

I'd get a refund, and a new set joints!

Washington Post said:
The automaker recalled more than 300,000 2002-2003 Liberty vehicles in November 2003 because of problems with the ball joint, but some of the parts were damaged during the shipping process or installation.

FedEx FTW! \

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Renegade Flex · Aug 2, 2006

What...The....F

The tell us now but we must wait till September for them to contact us.

How many people are going to get hurt or worse yet die because their wheel falls off at 80 mph?

[-X

MoladoGuy · Aug 2, 2006

Renegade Flex said:
What...The....F

The tell us now but we must wait till September for them to contact us.

How many people are going to get hurt or worse yet die because their wheel falls off at 80 mph?

[-X

Well they need to still generate all the paperwork, make the parts, and inform all the people. It could be sooner though for some of us. Or, maybe you can take the Jeep into the dealership before receiving anything and they will do it (Yea right).

Are they replacing the actual ball joints, and are they going to have a lifetime warranty?

Renegade Flex · Aug 2, 2006

I didnt even know what the hell a ball joint was until I came across this forum and saw the numerous threads about the subject.

I am certainly not car-savy enough to examine mine myself, so Ill be depending on the stealership to let me know the deal.

I would hope they replace the BJ and not just put a bandaide on it..

-=JoN=- · Aug 2, 2006

yeah...800k is quite a lot. im sure they'll have some sort of plan to get everyone coming in. parts distro or what not.
thing is..chrysler might want something done..not sure if the dealers feel the same.

at least they got the recall out and not us still fighting to get them to get the recall out

MoladoGuy · Aug 2, 2006

Marlon_JBT said:
This time around, it covers ALL Libertys from 2002-2006.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080100967.html

To the service department we all go!

My question does not pertain to me. For those of you who already replaced the ball joints do you know if you can go in and get them done again? I am only directing this to the ones who have replaced the ball joint through the dealership with a 2002 and up.

I would only assume that the dealership replaced the ball joint with the same manufactured one. The "NEW" manufactured ball joint should be stronger??? So the dealership should automatically replace them again. Also, you should get a refund from your previous ball joint replacements (if you paid them). Just my opinion along with a question or so.

Dave · Aug 2, 2006

Wow....more questions than answers right now. Seems like everything is all "up in the air" until the formal recall comes out and then the dealers will be up to their eyeballs in ball joints??

Dave

maureen58 · Aug 2, 2006

I wonder once you get the recall if you can have the dealership put the Moogs in and just pay the difference.

maureen58 · Aug 2, 2006

I wonder once you get the recall if you can have the dealership put the Moogs in and just pay the difference.

JeepJeepster · Aug 2, 2006

You all must understand, 832,000 balljoints X2 is ALOT of balljoints!! Thats 1,664,000 balljoints!! I would say thats more than moog has even made for the libbys.

Marlon_JB2 · Aug 2, 2006

MoladoGuy said:
Marlon_JBT said:

This time around, it covers ALL Libertys from 2002-2006.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080100967.html

To the service department we all go!

Click to expand...

My question does not pertain to me. For those of you who already replaced the ball joints do you know if you can go in and get them done again? I am only directing this to the ones who have replaced the ball joint through the dealership with a 2002 and up.

I would only assume that the dealership replaced the ball joint with the same manufactured one. The "NEW" manufactured ball joint should be stronger??? So the dealership should automatically replace them again. Also, you should get a refund from your previous ball joint replacements (if you paid them). Just my opinion along with a question or so.

This recall overrides the last recall and any sort of other history with your Jeep.

They *have* to do the recall. So I hope the new owners of my 2004, which can be seen here

Link to a very nice and famous 2004 Liberty

Take the Jeep in, EVEN THOUGH I Just had the ball joints replaced back in June.

[sorry, edited post..was too long horizontally -=JoN=-]
[sorry, edited post..-=JoN=- is a big meanie!!! LOL j/k lol3.gif ]

JeepnJer · Aug 2, 2006

DC/Jeep will be pretty busy over the next year(s) replacing all those LBJ's, not to mention the expense. It will be interesting to see if they will offer to, or be required to reimburse, or at least partially reimburse those
of us who went to the trouble to install Moogs or paid Jeep to have the factory LBJ's replaced.

Trodo · Aug 2, 2006

JeepnJer on another thread made a good point about the GC and its front suspension. Maybe instead of a revised LBJ, we'll be getting a new lower control arm that will revise the stress that the suspension absorbs.

JeepJeepster · Aug 2, 2006

Trodo said:
JeepnJer on another thread made a good point about the GC and its front suspension. Maybe instead of a revised LBJ, we'll be getting a new lower control arm that will revise the stress that the suspension absorbs.

That would be awsome!! I would probably take my moogs out and sell them!

Marlon_JB2 · Aug 2, 2006

An Explanation

Bob_Sheaves, from the Allpar.com fourms had this to say. His Comments are in bold.

Bob_Sheaves
Today, 05:44 PM
Post #17

What color are the clouds in your world?

Group: Members
Posts: 5,091
Joined: 19-September 02
Member No.: 734

I will try yto answer as best as I can, BUT I am still under a confidentiality agreement so some will be labeled "No Comment".

QUOTE(scook6 @ Aug 2 2006, 04:37 PM)
As a proud owner of one of the Liberty's in question, trying to cut through the innuendo etc.

What exactly is causing these failures? The joints are wearing out as predicted, according to projected criteria.

This is just a passing observance, since you can no longer put grease in these and they are "permanently lubed for life" are they dry and wearing out? No, that is an incorrect assumption. The specifications were changed, the durability cycles were changed, as well as the loading factors, all downwards from standard JTE specs. This was to follow a directive to reduce cost of SUV parts, because, as so many people have noted here, SUV's ain't used offroad generally. The point is, the joints have a full lifetime as designed and predicted. The issue is not with the parts being poorly made, the issue is A WRONG SPEC IS USED.

According to Bob, this seems to have originated by an argument between management and a now retired engineer? No- the Executive Engineer (just below VP of Engineering) of Vehicle Development (who was an old Jeep guy) and Financial (which had the backing of Bob Eaton).

So is this a design flaw? NO, the parts meet the spec.

What makes these ball joints so different than all the others out there? The wrong spec was used.

Or worse are they made by a supplier who is sending DCX shoddy parts? Again, there is NOTHING wrong with the parts-they perform exactly as predicted. The issue is with the specs.

Now for the really tough one. What company is making these? That seems to be the big mystery here. NO COMMENT, and it is really of no importance because they are not the problem.

Best regards....

--------------------
RW (Bob) Sheaves

Trodo · Aug 2, 2006

I'm confused. (Aeh)
If the LBJ's are not the problem, then that mean there's too much stress load and the lower arms are the problem because of inproper placement.

bigmd · Aug 2, 2006

recall

hey guys what if you bought the jeep used?i bought mine last month from a chevy dealer in nj.what are some symptoms of bad lbj's?my car has a vibration over 75 and the outer side of the good years are pretty worn.

Marlon_JB2 · Aug 2, 2006

Re: recall

bigmd said:
hey guys what if you bought the jeep used?i bought mine last month from a chevy dealer in nj.what are some symptoms of bad lbj's?my car has a vibration over 75 and the outer side of the good years are pretty worn.

See a Jeep dealership ASAP.

jackie · Aug 2, 2006

Ouch, I just saw the story on the ABC nightly news... I hope it doesn't effect the resale value too much ](*,)

MoladoGuy · Aug 2, 2006

jackie said:
Ouch, I just saw the story on the ABC nightly news... I hope it doesn't effect the resale value too much ](*,)

I don't think the resale will be greatly affected. Keep the performed recall receipt if you sell. I think "NOT" having the recall would easily affect resale, especially since the word was spreading on the street about the LBJ's of the LIBS.

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