RB1 Nav. radio review

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Just upgraded my RAZ (am-fm CD Cassette) to a RB1 navigation unit. It was an easy swap. Even the antenna wasn't too bad to install (will post some pic's later in the how-to section).

The RB1 is really a pretty amazing piece of equipment. It will take you just about anywhere by map (lots of scales), talk to you, give turn directions, street names, ETA, miles remaining. If you take the wrong turn, deviate, get lost (only on purpose) it will recalculate your route and tell you when and where to turn. It offers longitude, latitude and altitude. It finds attractions, hotels, restaurants, gas stations, hospitals (not a complete list, but lots, nonetheless).

Off road and off map, you can create a trail going out and follow it back to civilization. You can create a route with multiple stops (up to 10). You can save and recall recent destinations, create an address book (up to 100 entries) You can find a destination by street address, intersection, point of interest, or by curser almost anywhere in the US and many Canadian metropolitan areas. The data base is encyclopedic!

This system really shines at night; in rural areas where you normally navigate by counting mailboxes; in heavy traffic when you just want to turn off the offending road and take a side street, but don't know whether it goes through.

The unit is made by Alpine. A single DVD contains all data, but must be inserted at all times when in nav. mode. It will not play regular DVD's or MP3's but will handle CD's of all sorts (when not navigating). The radio had 10AM, 10FM and 10 Sirus (when equiped) and RDS. It also has a CD controller so if you add a CD changer, you can listen to CD's while navigating. The GPS uses 8 satellites and also has an internal gyro that will help you dead reckon between tall buildings, etc.

So far, I'm very impressed with the accuracy, at least locally. I live in a rural area in the mountains in San Diego County and it will drop me literally at my driveway! I'm not impressed with the altimeter though. Although fairly consistant, mine reads about 150' to 50' low in the local area.

I've fallen in love with "Ellie", the girl inside my RB1. She dims the radio whenever she speaks, never yells or panics -- is utterly unflapable. She can be adjusted to shut up or can give you an update upon request. Her volume is independently adjustable. Otherwise, she gives plenty of notice of what your next move will be. She even tells you what side of the road the freeway onramp will be (you never know around here). With her beside you, you don't ever need to take your eyes off the road!

The RB1 has some advantages and disadvantages with the RB4 (different manufacturer, different (12) satellite system; uses 2 CD's to navigate instead of 1 DVD). Essentially, both do the same job in about the same way. The RB1 has a color map, bigger usable screen; the RB4 has no map, just pictograms. On the other hand, the RB4, once programmed, can play your CD while navigating. Based on my neighbor's RB4, the RB1 may have slightly less of a tentancy to put you on the wrong (parallel) street (it's happened to him, but not me -- yet), but the RB4 may be more accurate at altitude (is in my neighborhood). Their capability, function and features are otherwise very similar, and both are currently in use. Neither is perfectly accurate in all cases, but both are great tools.

There is a new "REC" for many of the DC '05 line-up. It has a bigger display, but is virtually the same in operation; uses the same data disc. It will not physically fit the Liberty, but we're not missing much as far as nav. goes (Main difference besides screen size -- I think it holds 6 CD's, plays MP3's -- is more versatile with the music media).

I paid about $700 for mine (used) on e-bay including shipping, antenna etc (was patient and lucky). They're easy to pick up for about $800 to $850 used and $850 to $900 new. Or you can buy one from your local dealer and get a DC warranty for about $1300 to $1500. The RB4's seem to run about $100+/- less. Anyway you get one, you'll really enjoy it.


PS: Some people use the hand helds. They're less expensive and you can take them with you, but most have limitations on data and route tolerances, smaller screens and lack of voice direction.
 

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thanks for the info about the rb4 and the rb1..i thought (tho i never did much research) the rb4 was an updated version of the rb1......

great write up...
 

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Did you remove all the dash pieces like the instructions say for installing the antenna? I had trouble getting the piece over the instrument cluster to come off so gave up and just installed the antenna as high as I could reach. Any pointers on getting the dash piece over the instrument cluster off? I took out one screw on top, 4 screws at bottom and one screw that the grab handle covers. But wouldn't come out.

But I like the Nav radio. Only thing not as good about the RB1 and my old street pilot III is that when in map mode (no destination selected), the street pilot would display the next street name. The RB1 doesn't do that unfortunately.

I picked mine up off Ebay too $900 shipped for pull from new vehicle and 45 day warranty... alot cheaper than the dealership (they quoted me $1700 with tax). I did buy the 6-cd changer from the dealership ($400 with tax and 10% off coupon) though since they installed it for free and the Ebay one I looked at for $200 was not the proper installation kit for installing in the factory spot. CD-changer works nicely with the RB1.
 

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How often is the DVD updated? Know what the cost is? I like the idea of the lady inside!
 

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tselling said:
Any pointers on getting the dash piece over the instrument cluster off? I took out one screw on top, 4 screws at bottom and one screw that the grab handle covers. But wouldn't come out.

You got 6 out of the 7 screws. You need to remove both 'A' pillar trims, then snap off the front dash panel (long skinny one next to winshield). That will get you access to all three screws on top. Will try to post some pictures this weekend.
 

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How often is the DVD updated? Know what the cost is? I like the idea of the lady inside!

The current edition came out July 04. The folks at Alpine are nebulous about when the next release will be (a "few" months). The discs not only contain the database, but the latest firmware instructions as well. For instance the current disc (PN 05064033AC) makes a change that displays the clock when the radio is off. At the same time, the interim database update was minor -- mostly corrections. By the way, these discs hold about 6.9GB of data -- much more than the CD's

List price is about $150, but the current ones are selling now for about $20 to $50 on e-bay. The price probably drops with time.
 

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If anyone runs across an RB3, it is a European version of the RB4 -- would not be a good install for the US, but would probably be the first choice for any overseas members!

You may occasionally see an older Mopar Visteon Navmate 2.0 that preceded the current offerings. It was available on the 2002 Liberty and other DC models. It used a pod mounted on the dash with a remote CD drive. They go for about $200 to $400 currently, but the latest US database consists of 9 CD's and they are quite expensive (you can buy them individually, however). If someone had a special radio they didn't want to remove, this might be worth looking at. They are still being manufactured in a newer version, but compared with the RB1/RB4, I think the technology is past its prime.
 

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roadrunner said:
tselling said:
Any pointers on getting the dash piece over the instrument cluster off? I took out one screw on top, 4 screws at bottom and one screw that the grab handle covers. But wouldn't come out.

You got 6 out of the 7 screws. You need to remove both 'A' pillar trims, then snap off the front dash panel (long skinny one next to winshield). That will get you access to all three screws on top. Will try to post some pictures this weekend.

Great, thanks.
 

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roadrunner said:
List price is about $150, but the current ones are selling now for about $20 to $50 on e-bay. The price probably drops with time.

....or when dual-layer DVD+Rs become less expensive, knowing ebay.

:)

-Blu
 

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A Sirius Question ...

Thinking of doing the same thing once I get my tax refund ...

Did you have a Sirius system in your Jeep when you made the switch? Does the new RB1 unit integrate flawlessly with an OEM Sirius receiver, or does it require additional parts? Does the RB1 installed into a Jeep with the OEM Sirius receiver show the song title/artist on the display?

Are there instructions anywhere on how to install this RB1 unit into the dash (i.e., how to remove the '05's radio/dash)?

Thanks.
 

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Sirius radio

Sorry, I have no experience with the Sirius radio. I recall seeing that the RB1 has 10 presets for Sirius and is listed as "Sirius capable".

The RB1 installs exactly like your basic radio -- same plugs; perfect swap. It just has, in addition, a recepticle for the GPS antenna. You must have missed it in the 'how to' section: http://www.jeepkj.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=317
 

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Do you know if the Mopar/Chrysler radios are they type that require a dealer to "activate" after install?

I had a Saturn years back, and when I had the cassette radio swapped for a CD, the dealer had to activate the new install, since Saturn radios "locked" once they were disconnected from a power source (I guess as an anti-theft feature).

I was just wondering if my new RB1 would require the same procedure.
 

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Good. I find that all the "security" features in today's cars really don't deter theft, but rather just annoy the rightful owner (like the crazy, large, "security" key my Liberty came with that costs over $100 to copy if I loose it).
 

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One observation about the RB1 radio/nav. The radio displays the artist and song title, but only displays 8 characters at once. So if you're listening to Three Doors Down's Kryptonite, you see "Kryptoni" for a few seconds, then "te" for a few more seconds. A little annoying.
 

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Yes, until I get in an accident because I'm looking down at the Radio display going "Come ON! What's the rest of the song title!?!"

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